Hyper Normalisation.

[Breakingthewall]

On 24/10/2026 at 11:20 AM, Sugarcoat said:

Yea I know what someone says is one thing and the presence is another and both matter. Being enlightened doesn't automatically make you be able to be the most effective teacher for the largest audience, it's also about how developed they are on human level, it's not like enlightenment unlocks all human potential just because there's no ego in the way. Also different speaking styles fit different people, so they can have very niche audience, some like more poetic some like more direct. I suspect maybe some enlightened people don't have intense presence, maybe they have instead still and quite empty presence. It depends on person, two people who are enlightened won't be the same, speak the same, have the same presence etc. 

Enlightenment is being open to the total light that reality is, to the boundless absolute that it is. It is impossible to communicate; it is life in its totality, yet it is not a "thing" or a "someone", it is the complete absence of boundaries. I have such moments occasionally, but most of the time I don’t, nor do I want to. There is human work to be done, a human life to unfold and express. Why? I don’t know; that’s just how it presents itself.

 there are people who are in totally open state all time? Maybe those yogis, it's a possibility, then maybe they have a special presence, and if you are interacting with them you get some inspiration, they drag you to the openess 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:05 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

On 24/10/2026 at 7:46 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

No one knows this.

 

The reading of words written , the listening of words spoken, are just words being read, written nor spoken by no one.
No one is indifferent. No one is not indifferent. No one is the universe. No one is not the universe.

 

No word is this OR every word is this.
No one is writing, no one is speaking, no one is listening, there’s just EMPTY reading.

 

 

Thoughts are schematic structures to describe the reality. Thoughts are the reality itself in the form of a thought but some are true, other false. 

One true: reality is

One false: self is an illusion. 

Why the first one is true? Because avoid any contradictions, any falsehood. 

Why the second one is false? Because it's contradictory. Affirming that self is an illusion implies categorising the self as illusory Vs real, but this implies that this categorization is real, being this categorization an structure that happens in the self. 

Do you see the difference?

Edited Sunday at 04:04 PM by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

Yes, I see the difference, but the difference doesn’t change anything, as a finite character, my personal sandcastle will not last beyond the death of the unstoppable sun. “Split the atom's heart, and lo! Within it thou wilt find a sun"

 Here, there is a difference where there is none. See! 

[Sugarcoat]

On 2026-10-25 at 4:57 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is being open to the total light that reality is, to the boundless absolute that it is. It is impossible to communicate; it is life in its totality, yet it is not a "thing" or a "someone", it is the complete absence of boundaries. I have such moments occasionally, but most of the time I don’t, nor do I want to. There is human work to be done, a human life to unfold and express. Why? I don’t know; that’s just how it presents itself.

 there are people who are in totally open state all time? Maybe those yogis, it's a possibility, then maybe they have a special presence, and if you are interacting with them you get some inspiration, they drag you to the openess 

 

Even someone who is more open than someone else, can have affect on them with their presence, but the affected person must have some degree of openness themselves already. So full enlightenment is not needed to affect people with one's presence. And even then, the enlightened person (I get your description when you say it's the absence of boundaries) might not have a presence that has the strongest affect on everyone. I think energy is very powerful, from experience, so someone who has strong energy can affect others too, but seems they have to be somewhat mystic because otherwise the closed ego would block. 

Maybe the desire for the human life in self-state is because it can be richer? Something in us craves richness not just "dissolution". 

Btw hope it's ok, I saw before you edited, and I wanted to say that I also had crazy day this Sunday. Felt super unusual. Went to sleep past 4 in morning (yes went to sleep, not woke up lol) but woke up 3 hours later feeling rested enough. Crazy weekend, did coke that day, hence part of the explanation.....(shhhh, probably delete later) 

Edited 10 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

32 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

 

 

32 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Even someone who is more open than someone else, can have affect on them with their presence, but the affected person must have some degree of openness themselves already. So full enlightenment is not needed to affect people with one's presence. And even then, the enlightened person (I get your description when you say it's the absence of boundaries) might not have a presence that has the strongest affect on everyone. I think energy is very powerful, from experience, so someone who has strong energy can affect others too, but seems they have to be somewhat mystic because otherwise the closed ego wou

Exactly, it's all a matter of degrees of openness. Openness is not manifested in understanding things, but in how deeply it reality penetrates you, what your level of protection is between yourself and reality, how impermeable you are.

The goal is to completely eliminate that barrier, to be one with reality, in a fluid state, without separation. For me, that state closes when I'm around people because I tune into the frequency of the person I'm speaking with, I try to speak their language.

It would be very interesting to talk to a so-called enlightened person in real life, but I would be careful with my conclusios, there are narcissistic people where, to see behind the facade they have built, you have to get to know them in some depth. Relying on the vibes people project is misleading because what you are assessing is the feeling those people create in you, and there are true con artists out there. They are so good at it that they don't even know they are scammers.

34 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe the desire for the human life in self-state is because it can be richer? Something in us craves richness not just "dissolution". 

Of course, anyone could notice that living in the misery is a shit and that billions of people life like slaves. Money is survival, possibility of reproduction, possiblity of health, of time, of freedom. Money is the fluid of human society, get out of poverty is very difficult 

39 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Btw hope it's ok, I saw before you edited, and I wanted to say that I also had crazy day this Sunday. Felt super unusual. Went to sleep past 4 in morning (yes went to sleep, not woke up lol) but woke up 3 hours later feeling rested enough. Crazy weekend, did coke that day, hence part of the explanation.....(shhhh, probably delete later) 

Edited 28 minutes ago by Sugarcoat

😂😂Too late. i used to go on party from Friday to Sunday night without stop, wtf. Going to clubs with techo to dance without pause , then to after hours that open at 6, dancing like giving everything and talking with crazy people, then go with these people that I just met to terraces in center, always cocaine and MDMA around, then again to a club of techo, then another after, another crazy people, and then Sunday to the terraces drinking beers until Sunday night. Just writing this I feel sick😂. Was like, the thing that I like most in life is doing this retarded plan, was like I felt enjailed and with that shit I felt free. Then I found a girlfriend who was in the same plan but addicted type and was a shit so big that after breaking I never went to a club, never fun drugs or drinking alcohol again. But sometimes a bit of fun is not bad. Really I loved. 

[Breakingthewall]

On 26/10/2026 at 9:52 AM, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes, I see the difference, but the difference doesn’t change anything, as a finite character, my personal sandcastle will not last beyond the death of the unstoppable sun. “Split the atom's heart, and lo! Within it thou wilt find a sun"

 Here, there is a difference where there is none. See! 

That song is seemingly an empowerment anthem, but if you listen to it closely, you'll see it's a rather tragic cry from someone very scared, trying to look powerful while feeling broken inside.

It's a very sad song of helplessness, loneliness, sorrow, and the need to lie in order to survive in the world.

[VeganAwake]

Enlightenment is not a state of being, awareness or way of being. It's not a thing or a way to live life. It's not about anything. It’s not a path to walk or follow. Its the lack of paths, things, ways and abouts. Its the end of conditioned society or reality. It's not better than anything, because it's not a something. It's unattainable because it's nothing.

It's the end of religion, spirituality, soul, spirits, life/death, heaven/hell, god/satan, good/bad.

It's emptiness & also fullness. Like an empty canvas gratefully empty gratefully dead full and empty simultaneously. Ultimately empty.

Ultimate freedom for nobody where nothing was bound or imprisoned from the start.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

That song is seemingly an empowerment anthem, but if you listen to it closely, you'll see it's a rather tragic cry from someone very scared, trying to look powerful while feeling broken inside.

It's a very sad song of helplessness, loneliness, sorrow, and the need to lie in order to survive in the world.

Welcome to the real world that is the human condition. It takes one to know one.