Hyper Normalisation.

[VeganAwake]

So in that sense it doesn't matter........nothing matters! 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

The only limit is each body has limited time to exist. So when that body expires, it won't really matter what humanity is doing. There won't be a self illusion "you" there to witness it.

There will be other bodies, other structures. All are the same, the reality happening. What you are is always happening, if you detach yourself to this concrete experience it becomes obvious. The reality is not a self, a self is a structure that the reality takes. Any structure begins and ends, but what is can't finish . Can't be more obvious 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

So in that sense it doesn't matter........nothing matters! 

"Matters" is just a valoration that is happening in the current structure, the human mind. Out of it "matters" is meaningless. No thing matters or doesn't matter, things just are. 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

The only limit is each body has limited time to exist. So when that body expires, it won't really matter what humanity is doing. There won't be a self illusion "you" there to witness it.

That’s right, and also why evolution cannot be accurately witnessed because no human being ever lives long enough.

 

Limitation hasn’t got a clue about what’s going on they’ve only got their tiny little pixel of a window to look out of, so they’ll never know or understand the bigger picture, ever. Everything they think they know is pure speculation. Story telling at most.

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

There will be other bodies, other structures. All are the same, the reality happening. What you are is always happening, if you detach yourself to this concrete experience it becomes obvious. The reality is not a self, a self is a structure that the reality takes. Any structure begins and ends, but what is can't finish . Can't be more obvious 

No, that's just some kind of death denial. Each body isn't the same. One body doesn't experience what every other body does. 

When that Breakingthewall body dies, it won't even know it ever existed.

It will be total lights out indefinitely.

The self illusion doesn't like hearing this, so it creates things like your describing and religion to make itself feel like there's hope.

[VeganAwake]

What the self illusion doesn't realize is that it's already not real.

THIS is already death!

[Mellowmarsh]

11 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

What the self illusion doesn't realize is that it's already not real.

THIS is already death!

I would say the illusion knows that it’s an illusion rendering knowledge a fictional tale told by no one. 
 

When we try to point to the knower all we can touch is the known that doesn’t know anything. 
Most people cannot hear that message. It’s unthinkable, and this nature abhors its own vacuum. 

[Breakingthewall]

17 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

No, that's just some kind of death denial. Each body isn't the same. One body doesn't experience what every other body does. 

When that Breakingthewall body dies, it won't even know it ever existed.

It will be total lights out indefinitely.

The self illusion doesn't like hearing this, so it creates things like your describing and religion to make itself feel like there's hope.

Imagine the one day me, after an eight-hour debate on whether the self is illusory, I grab a 5-kilogram iron bar and, taking advantage of the fact that you are distracted while insisting that the self is indeed illusory, i strike you on the head with it with all my might.

I am sentenced to 15 years in prison, but you miraculously survive. After a year-long coma, you wake up, but your memory is completely gone. You have to relearn how to speak and how to use the bathroom on your own. Would you say that "you" no longer exist? Who exists? Someone else?

[Breakingthewall]

Believe me, you don't understand how it works. What you are is the reality, the absolute fact of being manifested in a self, in a dual experience. This self in not illusory, is relative, what is different.  Being a self means being a Knower, a subject that receives an object. This self is closed, focused in a limited point, in a definite structure. It Can be opened. Then the subject and the object lose it's limits and the reality sees itself by the eye that this self is. You are the eye of the reality and the reality itself.

The reality can know itself totally, absolutely, because what the reality is is the unlimited. This doesn't mean knowing unlimited things, but being without limits. If you are without limits even 1 second, you will know what you are. 

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This self in not illusory, is relative, what is different.

Maybe it's meant that the "illusion" is the sense that you're absolutely real (as a self)

Edited 1 hour ago by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Maybe it's meant that the "illusion" is the sense that you're absolutely real (as a self)

Then you also could say that the stones are illusory, or the body, or anything else, because everything that has form is relative. What is absolute is being, anything else is relative.

Being doesn't mean being a or b or c, means the absolute fact of existing, that has not bottom and lives, that is everything. Being open to this fact is the real point, it's the life, the openess, the affirmative fact of existing and the absolute freedom that what has not limits . 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you also could say that the stones are illusory, or the body, or anything else, because everything that has form is relative. What is absolute is being, anything else is relative.

Being doesn't mean being a or b or c, means the absolute fact of existing, that has not bottom and lives, that is everything. Being open to this fact is the real point, it's the life, the openess, the affirmative fact of existing and the absolute freedom that what has not limits . 

Not that the form is illusory, but the sense that the stone is absolutely real as a separate object.

Maybe it's not clear what I mean