Ramana Maharshi’s Secret

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Knowledge is a structured description of reality, it's not a fiction. Could be wrong or right, I know that those non dual teachers are against thought, but that's because they can't think properly, it's not so easy. 

They not against thought lol. Simply pointing out that language is a human invention. Meaning is made up, it's not baked into reality.

[Breakingthewall]

18 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s a fiction, you only believe to be real. Show a ten ton brick of gold to a dog and watch its reaction, it doesn’t say wow that’s going to buy me some super luxurious life. It hasn’t got a clue what gold or money is. The dog just lives in the present unknowable. 

Show a hungry dog a kg of meat , then it would know that it's valuable. Show an atom of oxygen two atoms of hydrogen, they would form water. 

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[Breakingthewall]

17 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

They not against thought lol. Simply pointing out that language is a human invention. Meaning is made up, it's not baked into reality.

Sure, it's out of reality. Reality is everything except language. Ah, what means "lol"? That you are condescending or anything? Like a baby being condescending with and adult ? Lol. 

[kavaris]

We cant even define language. Language could be someone winking.

Language could be when the wolf crosses the moonlit crossing, like what is language?

Language could be / mean anything, see below

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[kavaris]

To talk about it is to ask each other what we are talking about, to figure out "Are we talking bout language language, like grammar, rules, sounds, that stuff... or is it the greater world of language, images, ideas, concepts, inventions, spirals in nature, flora and fauna, materials, etc.

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Sure, it's out of reality. Reality is everything except language. Ah, what means "lol"? That you are condescending or anything? Like a baby being condescending with and adult ? Lol. 

Not at all, not being condescending, not my thing. I just notice that over and over you seem to imply that radical nonduality etc is somehow in denial of reality. Quite the opposite is true. When the sense of a separate me falls away rapidly, life actually feels more intense, in the sense that emotions are experienced more raw, ie less resistance, like a baby crying freely.

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[Mellowmarsh]

12 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Not at all, not being condescending, not my thing. I just notice that over and over you seem to imply that radical nonduality etc is somehow in denial of reality. Quite the opposite is true. When the sense of a separate me falls away rapidly, life actually feels more intense, in the sense that emotions are experienced more raw, ie less resistance, like a baby crying freely.

Well said. 😎

 

The thing is, only 1 out of 5 million people ever fully grasp the concept of nonduality. So it’s perfectly normal for the remaining people who don’t grasp its meaning to fully reject it, even fight to the death to defend their defencelessness. 
That’s why most people choose to stay asleep, it’s more comfortable and familiar.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Show a hungry dog a kg of meat , then it would know that it's valuable.

No, there’s just the raw experience of eating without any thought involvement as to whether it’s a valuable experience.

A dog will even eat it’s own vomit, it doesn’t understand value, the vomit is still as good as the food before it was regurgitated.

You’re barking up the wrong tree again.