Men are not allowed to be victims in the matriarchy

[LordFall]

1 hour ago, something_else said:

I don't disagree, I'm more just curious, what do you feel like you got in terms of value from the manosphere?

A way deeper understanding of gender dynamics and sociology as a whole. 

[AION]

2 hours ago, something_else said:

I don't disagree, I'm more just curious, what do you feel like you got in terms of value from the manosphere?

For me, it is about frame. It is a very deep topic. And even Owen Cook doesn´t get what frame is. Frame is hosted, not imposed as Owen Cook suggests. It is about inter subjectivity aka social space. I think Ken Wilber understands it the best but he doesn´t call it frame. I have done personal research on frame and I believe I have extraordinary knowledge on this subject. Also notice that frame is not really about dating exclusively. It is a much deeper topic.

Edited 5 hours ago by AION

[something_else]

49 minutes ago, LordFall said:

A way deeper understanding of gender dynamics and sociology as a whole. 

I guess that’s fair enough, can you expand a bit more on that?

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For me, it is about frame. It is a very deep topic. And even Owen Cook doesn´t get what frame is. Frame is hosted, not imposed as Owen Cook suggests. It is about inter subjectivity aka social space. I think Ken Wilber understands it the best but he doesn´t call it frame. I have done personal research on frame and I believe I have extraordinary knowledge on this subject. Also notice that frame is not really about dating exclusively. It is a much deeper topic.

How would you define frame?

[AION]

6 minutes ago, something_else said:

I guess that’s fair enough, can you expand a bit more on that?

How would you define frame?

Frame is about self management of state

[Ulax]

20 hours ago, something_else said:

Could you expand on what you mean here?

Sure. Shit Life syndrome is when you are say a NEET living at home and having an abusive partner. and you fit the criteria for diagnoses like depression anxiety etc. But those symptoms are mostly coming from the fact your life is fucked up.

 

[something_else]

4 hours ago, AION said:

Frame is about self management of state

Can you give an example?

[something_else]

2 hours ago, Ulax said:

Sure. Shit Life syndrome is when you are say a NEET living at home and having an abusive partner. and you fit the criteria for diagnoses like depression anxiety etc. But those symptoms are mostly coming from the fact your life is fucked up.

 

Ah I see what you mean. Yea obviously action is required to get out of that situation, but part of the reason people end up stuck in this situation in the first place is an inability to properly process your emotional state. Instead of facing up to the fact that you need to GTFO and make some changes you choose to believe that your partner isn’t that bad, distract yourself with substances, porn, social media etc.

In order to start making change you need to accept this situation as it is, process it, and then take action.

[LordFall]

4 hours ago, something_else said:

I guess that’s fair enough, can you expand a bit more on that?

How would you define frame?

A lot of what's spread on red pill or manosphere content in general on Youtube is dumbed down from the true red pill content that was shared originally on the Red Pill subreddit. A lot of posters wrote elaborate articles breaking down not just dating dynamics but corporate world advice as well as fitness components to dating. It still had some anti women anger energy to it, don't get me wrong but the actual substance shared was actually valuable and not just butt hurt dudes not saying much.

It's there on Reddit, I still read it once in a while. I haven't seen the stuff on there discussed many other places on the internet. It was a mix of self-help, pickup and like dark psychology type of advice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/k9c0hi/the_end_of_democracy_part_1_tech_knights_and/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/c1bzuh/how_to_get_your_shit_together_a_guide_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/8ntlth/how_to_really_succeed_at_tinder_not_just_another/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7che04/15_things_ive_learned_over_the_last_53_years/

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/5fihmu/how_to_get_laid_like_a_warlord_37_rules_of/

I would recommend any man to take a few hours and sort by top ranked from all time and read a few of the articles. Some gems in there for sure. 

Edited 25 minutes ago by LordFall