Nobody becomes enlightened and never will

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, kavaris said:

i dont know yet.... would have to go through everything.

What was the everything again, I forgot? 🤔

[kavaris]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

What was the everything again, I forgot? 🤔

Everything in this thread. When i make songs on guitar, i have to do this alot. You have what is essentially like...

... A bunch of little pieces of songs jumbling / rattling around, And the answers that make a complete sentence / song, arent yet located nd put together ~ Granted its like kinda fun ~ in the discovery sense ~ to be all scattered ~but then its not really helpin to make things a complete thought. Thats sorta wat i was tlkin bout. Yous may or may not hav described enlightenment already, id have to look throughthis thread, i just got like 10 other things im doin simultaneously.

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[Joseph Maynor]

17 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Even though you know the concept “belief” seemingly happy to project that concept as actuality. 

I'm not following you here.  Can you elaborate.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Everything in this thread. When i make songs on guitar, i have to do this alot. You have what is essentially like...

... A bunch of little pieces of songs jumbling / rattling around, And the answers that make a complete sentence / song, arent yet located nd put together ~ Granted its like kinda fun ~ in the discovery sense ~ to be all scattered ~but then its not really helpin to make things a complete thought. Thats sorta wat i was tlkin bout. Yous may or may not hav described enlightenment already, id have to look throughthis thread, i just got like 10 other things im doin simultaneously.

Okay thanks for the piece of everything. 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

I'm not following you here.  Can you elaborate.

Don’t follow me, I too am lost.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Don’t follow me, I too am lost.

I was just trying to make sense of your comment lol.  

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

  Can you elaborate.

 You know the concept “ belief “ but you don’t have one. 

 

Would you like that elaborated as well? 

[kavaris]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 You know the concept “ belief “ but you don’t have one. 

 

Would you like that elaborated as well? 

Sometimes you do literally have to explain what is otherwise obvious to you, to get anywhere, cause it may be literally the case yous have two different ideas for a word.

[kavaris]

13 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 ...

For example, take "belief", is that something you "hold on to", temporarily, permanently? Does the temporal space of it even matter? Things like that... Maybe you dont see it as "holding on", at all. Maybe its more like, "a direction you face for a time" until you turn away,

Consider that, a single word can create an incredibly far and deep topic, that yous then would otherwise have to settle on, if its getting too far from where yous are trying to go, in the dialectic... As the layers peel back, it becomes more comfortable ~ That is, getting use to this massive influx of words, concepts, and how they can be put together.

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[Joseph Maynor]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 You know the concept “ belief “ but you don’t have one. 

 

Would you like that elaborated as well? 

I see beliefs as creations.

[kavaris]

11 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I see beliefs as creations.

Oh wow . Okay see... I doubt anyone is gonna share that idea. Ive really never heard those two things together, beliefs, creation. I myself will need to think on that one, but i digress, cause ultimately, if nothing else  @Mellowmarsh's wheels are turnin at the water clock, and the little divets in the bowl are fillin up, fillin up now. Thats what matters, i feel

p.s. iuno why i was thinkin there was a mechanical part to the ancient water clocks, or maybe it was in its later forms, if it had a mechanical apparatus.

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[Joseph Maynor]

Beliefs are conceptual artworks that are created.  

[kavaris]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Beliefs are conceptual artworks that are created.  

Oh right, right, right. you know what. my bad, my brain took a poop for a moment. i totally know what you are tlkin bout 

[Joseph Maynor]

4 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Oh right, right, right. you know what. my bad, my brain took a poop for a moment. i totally know what you are tlkin bout 

Belief is deep.  But I'm also creating this now.  And not even too.

[kavaris]

Hey if yous gave me like a day (as i hav an appt. tomorrow thatll be for a few hours downtown) i will demonstrate how "belief", "understanding", and "knowing", although seemingly touching a very similar shade of the spectrum, that they can point in totally diff directions, not to mention, "knowing" is something that has several different versions (atleast three)

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[kavaris]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Belief is deep.  But I'm also creating this now.  And not even too.

Oh yeah, belief is so deep, that i have to surrender now to the fact that, it would take me a day, atleast, to explain *what it is*, for we often do take for granted just how different those pages can be, that we are living on, However that sense of things being different is itself tangled w/ the perspective we have, and the subsequent processes we are engaging in, etc.

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[kavaris]

Just to give a small taste test out, since its somethin i had in my notes, look how similar yet different all of these are,

Greek has several  interrelated to "knowing": **οἶδα**, to know...
First theres,  **οἶδα**, the act of seeing or experiencing~happened in the past (its normal meaning) (not gonna go into the grammatical differences, just the meaning)

**ἐπίσταμαι**, to know [how to] or, to understand. More the practical/skilled knowing.
**γιγνώσκω**, to come to know, recognize, perceive *(where we get gnosis, diagnosis, prognosis)*
**μανθάνω**, to learn (knowing through something *learned of*)
**δαῆναι**, the very root in ἀδαής, alas, this is *to learn/know,* related to **δαήμων** (skilled, knowing) and possibly **δαίμων**
**σοφία** — wisdom, skilled knowledge. It gives us *philo.,* **sophii** (or a sophist, of skills)
**φρονέω** — to think, have understanding. Related to **φρήν** (mind/diaphragm, as Greeks located thought near the chest region)

Thats just the practical, three thousand year old basis for what we are tlkin bout w/ knowing nd weve not yet talked of How we interpret them words, and the resulting meaning, which adds a whole nother spin to this base level of like Dictionary form definitions.

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[Mellowmarsh]

33 minutes ago, kavaris said:

Oh wow . Okay see... I doubt anyone is gonna share that idea. Ive really never heard those two things together, beliefs, creation. I myself will need to think on that one, but i digress, cause ultimately, if nothing else  @Mellowmarsh's wheels are turnin at the water clock, and the little divets in the bowl are fillin up, fillin up now. Thats what matters, i feel

p.s. iuno why i was thinkin there was a mechanical part to the ancient water clocks, or maybe it was in its later forms, if it had a mechanical apparatus.

Mellowmarsh’s wheels had a mechanical awakening. Lol

[kavaris]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Mellowmarsh’s wheels had a mechanical awakening. Lol

see if water clocks ever had a mechanical part added, in its later forms, if you are into ancient stuff, like on wiki or one of these... As that could be interesting, hey, ya never know i guess, Ive gotten ideas out of crazier places. Ive gotta get rdy for this appt., so i cnt stick around too long to night/this mornin'.

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[Mellowmarsh]

44 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I see beliefs as creations.

Okay thanks for sharing your belief.