Too many people are going to therapy according to this therapist

[enchanted]

[Hojo]

What people dont understand is that you should be in therapy for a short period. People stay in therapy for like years or decades. They think its a life long thing when its not. It should be like a 4 week thing if its not fixed you or your therapist is doing it wrong.

If you are in therapy for like 5 years something is very wrong with your therapist.

Imagine you go to the doctor for a broken toe and you are still going 5 years later.

 

Shrooms can do it and you dont have to go back to the shrooms. That shows it can be done and they can do it in one sitting. The psychiatrist is there to figure out your imagination and thought loops. If they cant do it in 5 years or a year they are not a therapist they are a liar. They actually hurt you and made themselves part of your thought loops.

Edited 23 hours ago by Hojo

[enchanted]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

What people dont understand is that you should be in therapy for a short period. People stay in therapy for like years or decades. They think its a life long thing when its not. It should be like a 4 week thing if its not fixed you or your therapist is doing it wrong.

If you are in therapy for like 5 years something is very wrong with your therapist.

Imagine you go to the doctor for a broken toe and you are still going 5 years later.

 

Shrooms can do it and you dont have to go back to the shrooms. That shows it can be done and they can do it in one sitting. The psychiatrist is there to figure out your imagination and thought loops. If they cant do it in 5 years or a year they are not a therapist they are a liar. They actually hurt you and made themselves part of your thought loops.

💯 This is great a great post and great advice. Exactly what I've noticed about therapy also. 

[Ulax]

7 hours ago, Hojo said:

 

Shrooms can do it and you dont have to go back to the shrooms. That shows it can be done and they can do it in one sitting. The psychiatrist is there to figure out your imagination and thought loops. If they cant do it in 5 years or a year they are not a therapist they are a liar. They actually hurt you and made themselves part of your thought loops.

Dude I get you're coming from a good place and i agree shrooms can be helpful. But you gotta watch it giving advice like that.

Taking shrooms whilst having bad mental health issues can be a fucking disaster.

Edited 16 hours ago by Ulax

[Ulax]

I hate how therapy has become this sort of magical remedy for all emotional problems people experience.

Especially in dating. So much advice about how if you're a dude who struggles with women you need therapy. And its mostly nonsense advice.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

39 minutes ago, Ulax said:

I hate how therapy has become this sort of magical remedy for all emotional problems people experience.

Especially in dating. So much advice about how if you're a dude who struggles with women you need therapy. And its mostly nonsense advice.

Exactly. I've noticed people therapizing fucking NORMAL shit.

No, wanting to feel connected to your partner is not an attachment issue.

No, having an open calm discussion about issues repeatedly coming up is not "activating my trauma"

Not every uncomfortable emotion is a disorder. Not every disagreement is abuse. Not every boundary is avoidant. Sometimes relationships simply require vulnerability, accountability, compromise, and difficult conversations! 

Therapy has incredible value when used properly, and with accurate language. Online use of therapy language is corrupting the whole thing.

[Hojo]

@Ulax Im saying the fact that it can happen with shrooms means that its possible to do in a very short amount of time. The psychiatrist is supposed to be like mushrooms. Im not giving anyone advice about anything.

[oOo]

Most people grew up doing sports of some kinds as kids, so they never needed a gym trainer outside of going deeper. 

Most people not only didn't have the right exposures to therapeutic techniques, this absence became funnel into every other medium that could corrupt it further; the entire entertainment industry (music, films, video games) comparatively speaking and a toxic social media environment that dually contributed to individual to group and back to further depending individual issues. 

It's not complicated.

When a system is able to offload its management to other systems without having to be accountable to itself, it faces higher entropy which degrades the very functions that make it a phenomenon stable enough to call it a system in the first place. This is why simple yet effective ideas circulating like taking on greater responsibility and ownership in one's life creates the challenge positive stress needed in a person's life to restore and even better functions. 

Hierarchically, this also tends to be self-reinforcing here too where if someone is say higher up in a company structure their brains tend to on average work a little better relative to the proper exercising of the functions responsible to that role. It doesn't necessarily mean they are smarter than someone lower on the totem pole, though in general, higher status begets better brain function.

That said, irrespectively, simply owning your life with as much responsibility as the senior position you should assign that level to, should beget most of the positive impacts here. Including with respect to how doing so aligns with the same esteem as moving up in seniority does to your own life. Isn't it interesting that the science shows that most people on average won't value their own lives as much as their social status reflects? That's the inference to draw on the correlation between social status and improved health, cognitive function and psychological stability. And its because evolutionarily, social status is inherently tied to feelings of safety, where its absence, can be correlated with nearly every therapeutic anxiety under the sun supposedly needing psychological intervention. 

Here's my straight up advice: For anyone, if you can genuinely find an amazing therapist, good for you, take that amazingness to generate a learning feedback loop that leads you to higher and higher self-mastery in a rigorous way and you'll be self-justifying your choice in a rational thought out way. The reality is however, that although I cannot account from personal experience, most people really struggle to find a good gym trainer here, simply because one, great therapists are rare in a cognitively ageing economy as per the first reference regarding degrading standards, and two, the psychological gym equipment just isn't amazing otherwise success rates would be reflected in the accounting books much more. 

Bottom-line, you must take personal responsibility for yourself in these regards. And here's a thing, that'd a damn good thing, and its going to make you feel damn good and empowered in the way I suggested including the positive cognitive and psychological benefits that will ensue.

Interesting isn't it? By someone becoming their own saviour, and truly believing in that by taking on full responsibility and ownership there, they become the very person they feel safe around to feel loved again, and to love again, imbued with all the same psychological and cognitive benefits of the 'higher (social) status'; I stand by that hypothesis. It's a paradoxical way to heal self-love and for someone to embrace their lives fully, something that I wish for everyone here to experience in a healthy way. 

Best wishes. 

Edited 7 hours ago by oOo

[Ulax]

5 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Ulax Im saying the fact that it can happen with shrooms means that its possible to do in a very short amount of time. The psychiatrist is supposed to be like mushrooms. Im not giving anyone advice about anything.

Ok I understand what you're saying now. And my mistake you were giving a perspective more than advice.

Though with severe disorders, multiple years of therapy doesn't seem unexpected.

[Ulax]

4 hours ago, oOo said:

Here's my straight up advice: For anyone, if you can genuinely find an amazing therapist, good for you, take that amazingness to generate a learning feedback loop that leads you to higher and higher self-mastery in a rigorous way and you'll be self-justifying your choice in a rational thought out way. The reality is however, that although I cannot account from personal experience, most people really struggle to find a good gym trainer here, simply because one, great therapists are rare in a cognitively ageing economy as per the first reference regarding degrading standards, and two, the psychological gym equipment just isn't amazing otherwise success rates would be reflected in the accounting books much more. 

I agree with that.

I've been really disillusioned by therapy. 

The profession has a slick culture of avoiding accountability. You criticise a therapist and often "it just takes time" or "The model isn't a fit" or "You have to take responsibility for your own healing".

Its a real shame. But at the same time, the profession attracts the more artsy creative feely types. Which has its positives, i.e. empathy. But these are not your star athelete types who constantly iterate on their performance levels, so they continuously get better. And so the standard stays low. 

I love the competent ones tho. They're stars.

[Ulax]

12 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Exactly. I've noticed people therapizing fucking NORMAL shit.

No, wanting to feel connected to your partner is not an attachment issue.

No, having an open calm discussion about issues repeatedly coming up is not "activating my trauma"

Not every uncomfortable emotion is a disorder. Not every disagreement is abuse. Not every boundary is avoidant. Sometimes relationships simply require vulnerability, accountability, compromise, and difficult conversations! 

Therapy has incredible value when used properly, and with accurate language. Online use of therapy language is corrupting the whole thing.

I get what you're saying for sure.

You go on social media and you see so many comments around X being a dysfunction or Y requiring healing. As though a healthy human just rides through life on some magic carpet of ease and good vibes.

But there are many dumb charismatic people with strong frame. So, these views get perpetuated.

At the same time though, there is a fair amount of normalised behaviour that is dysfunctional. But most people aren't being nuanced in their thinking. 

Edited 3 hours ago by Ulax
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