Thoughts On Astrology + Numerology?

[Phil King]

Lately Ive been looking into astrology and numerology as a means of trying to understand myself better and possibly understand what the purpose or meaning of my life is. Ill just start with some brief definitions so we are all on same page.

Astrology: Believing that the time, date, location of your birth along with the position of the planets/celestial bodies have meaning to them and can be used as a cypher to reveal your natural abilities, personality type, past life, and future destiny.

Numerology: Believing that your date of birth added up and your numerical name equivalent carry a certain energetic vibration that will in turn influence how your life will play out. (If you guys disagree with these definitions, pls feel free to elaborate) https://numerologyworx.com/ Use this to see your core numbers

Now I honestly believe that these are really good introspection tools similar to Tarot cards and that they can be used to help make decisions in your life like what career to pursue or who to marry, etc. This may seem woo woo but let me explain. 

On a purely material basis, it is actually undeniable that the planets do effect us on an extremely miniscule scale but calculatable scale. Since these celestial bodies are huge, they are exerting a gravitational force on us that can be calculated using some gravitational constant, however small that may be. Like how the moon influences the tides here on earth, the moon can similarly effect us (Interestingly they say someones moon sign is responsible for like 70% of someones subconscious mind and we are about 70% water)

On a more Consciousness/Actualized based approach, you as God chose to be reincarnated in this specific form at this specific space and time. Why would it not leave clues to itself on what it was meant to accomplish in this life through your birth chart and name and birthday? It feels too unspiritual to think that the name and date that you reincarnated as be completely arbitrary. I am reminded of a quote at the beginning of an actualized video "All throughout the universe, the forces are in perfect balance, hence the energy of a single thought may determine the motion of the whole universe."

But idk thats just my take, curious as to what you guys think. Do you guys look at your horoscopes or birth charts and do you put any meaning into these esoteric sciences?

[Hojo]

I've looked at them and kinda beleive them but I don't put much thought into it if I do i go crazy trying to relate things in my head. Even if its true it dosent matter its like looking at a map for terrain you have to cross anyway and can't bring the map with you. Just go walk and deal with it as it comes. You getting any meaningful or insightful stuff out of it is probably not worth the time studying it and analyzing it if you are going to learn anything it will be from real life not the horoscopes.

Edited July 6 by Hojo

[Ziran]

13 hours ago, Phil King said:

Do you guys look at your horoscopes or birth charts and do you put any meaning into these esoteric sciences?

Horoscopes and birth charts are a good way to begin an inquiry or a conversation.  They're "ice-breakers", for lack of a better term.   

13 hours ago, Phil King said:

I honestly believe that these are really good introspection tools similar to Tarot cards

Yes, like Tarot cards, because within the system of stars and constellations there is a "full deck" of attributes and a nearly limitless number of different combinations, just like individual personalities.

When an individual does a reading for another person, they are not actually reading the cards.  They're allowing the diversity of cards to inspire them towards an open-mind.  Reading the cards is "emptying the mind-and-heart" creating a metaphorical crucible.  Then the individual reading the cards sifts through the thoughts that arise within that crucible, something-from-nothing, seeking resonance.  If there is any "magic" involved, it's not coming from the cards.  It's coming from the individual's heart-and-mind who is doing the reading.  Their psyche is sensitive to the subtle resonance between the thoughts which arise while doing the reading and the sequence of events here-and-now, in the material world.

This sensitivity to subtle resonance can present as an inborn talent.  Or, more often, it's cultivated and developed as a skill.   Almost anyone can do it, and most have experienced it in contra-distinction, as "discord",  described by some as an "Uh-Oh feeling", or "something's not right about this."  It doesn't need cards.  Tea-leaves will do.  Watching steam rise.  Gazing at the ocean waves.  Looking into the stars...

The benefit of using cards or constellations is that these are somewhat arbitrary.  Using these as the source of inspiration helps to reduce the impact of hidden biases and indoctrinations on the reading.

14 hours ago, Phil King said:

On a purely material basis, it is actually undeniable that the planets do effect us on an extremely miniscule scale but calculatable scale. Since these celestial bodies are huge, they are exerting a gravitational force on us that can be calculated using some gravitational constant, however small that may be. Like how the moon influences the tides here on earth, the moon can similarly effect us (Interestingly they say someones moon sign is responsible for like 70% of someones subconscious mind and we are about 70% water)

This part, is definitely Woo.  There is a hard distinction between material science and subtle readings.  Mixing material science into it is a fool's errand.  In the material realm, no two things can occupy the same space at the same time.  Beyond the material all is concurrent and omni-present.  If an individual is looking for information about themself from a material perspective, the best resources are medical doctors and academics.   

14 hours ago, Phil King said:

On a more Consciousness/Actualized based approach, you as God chose to be reincarnated in this specific form at this specific space and time. Why would it not leave clues to itself on what it was meant to accomplish in this life through your birth chart and name and birthday? It feels too unspiritual to think that the name and date that you reincarnated as be completely arbitrary. I am reminded of a quote at the beginning of an actualized video "All throughout the universe, the forces are in perfect balance, hence the energy of a single thought may determine the motion of the whole universe."

The name is purely spiritual.  It isn't part of the physical realm.  There's a great deal of potential possessed in the name, for help or for harm.

The birthdate is less significant, but, there's a hard link between those who are born on the same date ( using a lunar calendar ).

Yes, God desires to be known, regardless of whether God is considered within or without.

Most succinctly, regardless of the medium, during divination, using stars, birthdates, cards, or a crystal ball, the underlying mechanism is simultaneously holding "one-and-many" within the "mind's eye".  "One-and-many" simultaneously is a revelation of God.   With practice, the medium becomes insignificant.  The inner-experience becomes the "many", and "God" is realized as "in-between-and-surrounding" granting access to the trance state which produces the insight.

[Phil King]

 

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

This part, is definitely Woo.  There is a hard distinction between material science and subtle readings.  Mixing material science into it is a fool's errand.

Yeah this is definitely a weaker point but still scientifically (I used chatgpt for these calculations) when all the planets are aligned on the same side of the sun, an 80kg person will weigh about .0000039% more than when they are out of alignment. Obviously a miniscule amount but still something. My point was that materialists must concede that the planets do effect us in some manner however small.

 

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

  It doesn't need cards.  Tea-leaves will do.  Watching steam rise.  Gazing at the ocean waves.  Looking into the stars...

The benefit of using cards or constellations is that these are somewhat arbitrary

Yeah ive been to a few different psychics and it was interesting to see the different methods they used from palm reading, sitting in silence, cards, and them using different systems of astrology like western vs sidereal. Interestingly all the good psychics ive been to were women but that may be me just not exploring deep enough

[Phil King]

One other fun thing you guys can check out is astrocartography where it shows you what places you would find love, career success, inspiration for art, and more. Like your jupiter or sun line is where you go to be succcessful, venus line is where you go to find love, uranus line is good for adventure, mars and saturn good for locking in on a work project etc. 

 https://www.astro.com/horoscope This website has a bunch of cool charts you can check out. 

[Ziran]

6 hours ago, Phil King said:

... materialists must concede that the planets do effect us in some manner however small.

It's small compared to what?  "Small" doesn't accurately describe it. 

Regardless, the effect is null because the force being measured doesn't occur in isolation.  Once the other forces in the system are included, the materialists win this argument.