Resource: Jiddu Krishnamurti - There is no one to guide you

[Mellowmarsh]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What Krishnamurti think about lions? Are they wrong doing such effort to hunt preys? Only flowers are allowed? Because animals are in permanent war, same than anything that lives. 

Effortless is effort. Effort is effortless. No thing is thing. Thing is no thing.

That’s the paradox. There’s no such thing as efforting carried out by a thing. Except in this conception, which is mentally constructed language. Outside of man made language, reality has no concept of a conceptual thing doing anything. There’s just doing, where doing is done, no doer thereof.
This core concept of non-doership, highlights that actions occur naturally through cause and effect without a separate, permanent "self" directing them. These empty principles are what JK and every sage that come before and after have been pointing to since the birth of human conceptual language. 

A lion cannot tell itself it’s exerting effort when hunting prey. There’s simply hunting prey. 
 

I’m totally perplexed and often baffled that you don’t seem to be able to process the idea that seeing though this paradox is what JK and all the other sages and gurus have been hinting at for eons. But maybe I’m just not seeing what you are seeing, and that’s perfectly fine by me. You can only know what you know or see what you see, and no one is denying you your knowledge of these understandings. Okay.👍 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’m totally perplexed and often baffled that you don’t seem to be able to process the idea that seeing though this paradox is what JK and all the other sages and gurus have been hinting at for eons. But maybe I’m just not seeing what you are seeing, and that’s perfectly fine by me. You can only know what you know or see what you see, and no one is denying you your knowledge of these understandings. Okay.👍 

Please, I understand them, the problem is that is see that they are so dumb that it's unbelievable. Its like listening 12 years old kids believing that they are philosophers. 

So, according to them, everything in reality is real, direct, clean and effortless, except though, that is not real . Reality is so sad because thought, it's unreal, then we the humans are wrong beings because we think, that goes against the reality, so we have to stop that horrible aberration and be like the flowers. 

Those geniuses could consider that human conceptual mind is another phase of life, another kind of existence that is happening and that is real, and those thoughts are a expression of the reality, not something that makes baby Jesus crying and that must stop . Ah, but stop effortless meditating in some position 8 h by day . 

 

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[James123]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Please, I understand them, the problem is that is see that they are so dumb that it's unbelievable. Its like listening 12 years old kids believing that they are philosophers. 

So, according to them, everything in reality is real, direct, clean and effortless, except though, that is not real . Reality is so sad because thought, it's unreal, then we the humans are wrong beings because we think, that goes against the reality, so we have to stop that horrible aberration and be like the flowers. 

Those geniuses could consider that human conceptual mind is another phase of life, another kind of existence that is happening and that is real, and those thoughts are a expression of the reality, not something that makes baby Jesus crying and that must stop . Ah, but stop effortless meditating in some position 8 h by day . 

 

If you don't give up the idea of good and bad, accept the way they are, you will never be free.

"Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself." Rumi.

La İlahe İllallah.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

If you don't give up the idea of good and bad, accept the way they are, you will never be free.

"Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself." Rumi.

La İlahe İllallah.

What are you talking about? Read my post before answering 

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[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What are you talking about? Read my post after answering 

 

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

the problem is that is see that they are so dumb that it's unbelievable. Its like listening 12 years old kids believing that they are philosophers. 

Look at the mirror 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

 

Look at the mirror 

1 hour ago, James123 said:

 

Why? Can you argument your answer? Try, let's see what are your reasons. First read my argumentation until you understand it. Maybe 3/4 times carefully. Then argument it seriously. Lets see what you can do.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Why? Can you argument your answer? Try, let's see what are your reasons. First read my argumentation until you understand it. Maybe 3/4 times carefully. Then argument it seriously. Lets see what you can do.

 

1 hour ago, James123 said:

If you don't give up the idea of good and bad, accept the way they are, you will never be free.

"Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself." Rumi.

La İlahe İllallah.

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

 

 

It has zero relationship with what I wrote. I told you that you have to read many times. But forget it, it's useless. Peace brother, I love you ❤️ illahlahlah lah