Jim Newman is really good.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

There is no point. 

But there is.  You are in this form to be you.  Don't ever undervalue that.  Yeah.. when this dream is gone you'll dream something else.  But that's for another day. For now you are dreaming this.

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

But there is.

When I say there is no point, it is not in a nihilistic way.

Nothing has inherent meaning or value.

When you contemplate this, it is actually quite liberating.

 

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

When I say there is no point, it is not in a nihilistic way.

Nothing has inherent meaning or value.

When you contemplate this, it is actually quite liberating.

 

Yes. It is.  But you had to give meaning to liberate yourself correct. So God is caught in his own endless loop.  He can decide what he wants to value as he designs it.

 

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes. It is.  But you had to give meaning to liberate yourself correct. So God is caught in his own endless loop.  He can decide what he wants to value as he designs it.

 

I'm gonna find a clip for you where he describes his experience. Will be back soon.

[Wilhelm44]

@Inliytened1  See from 8:20 to around 15:30

(That gives an indication of how life flows through that body/mind system.)

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Inliytened1  See from 8:20 to around 15:30

(That gives an indication of how life flows through that body/mind system.)

Yes I get it.  Again this is basically lucid dreaming. I don't choose to lucid dream thats just my choice. I prefer the illusion and he wants to live without it. But notice even his ability to respond to a question must, in my opinion, require a personality.  What he has done here, as @Elliot so nicely stated, is create this alternative personality that has no personality. But it is one.

 

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes I get it.  Again this is basically lucid dreaming. I don't choose to lucid dream thats just my choice. I prefer the illusion and he wants to live without it. But notice even his ability to respond to a question must, in my opinion, require a personality.  What he has done here, as @Elliot so nicely stated, is create this alternative personality that has no personality. But it is one.

 

I think we might just need to agree to disagree on this one.

(From this passage above you do seem to be missing the point though. It's simply emptiness living, ie there is no one there to identify/claim/own etc. This doesn't mean there's no personality. Not sure what this has to do with lucid dreaming. It's more like waking up from the dream of separation.)

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I think we might just need to agree to disagree on this one.

(From this passage above you do seem to be missing the point though. It's simply emptiness living, ie there is no one there to identify/claim/own etc. This doesn't mean there's no personality. Not sure what this has to do with lucid dreaming. It's more like waking up from the dream of separation.)

And my point is if it were truly empty he would no longer exist.  There would be pure emptiness.  Not an interview.  You refuse to see what is right in front of you because you want to defend this teacher. I'm glad he helped you but man bro you are already in the right place.  Leo has the tools to awaken you.  Do the retreat if you can, you seem like a perfect candidate. 

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

And my point is if it were truly empty he would no longer exist.  There would be pure emptiness.  Not an interview.  You refuse to see what is right in front of you because you want to defend this teacher. I'm glad he helped you but man bro you are already in the right place.  Leo has the tools to awaken you.  Do the retreat if you can, you seem like a perfect candidate. 

He's simply empty of the sense of a separate self. (And by that he means the seeking energy which feels separate and incomplete)

Jim is like the last person to fanboy over.

I like his work because it's been effective for me in a very short space of time.

As I said in the original post, something interesting has happened where my memories are now devoid of a sense of me.

I have listened to many teachers, for me personally no other message has been this effective at unravelling the sense of a separate self.

Jim seems to be underestimated precisely because the message is so simple.

[Inliytened1]

22 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

He's simply empty of the sense of a separate self. (And by that he means the seeking energy which feels separate and incomplete)

Jim is like the last person to fanboy over.

I like his work because it's been effective for me in a very short space of time.

As I said in the original post, something interesting has happened where my memories are now devoid of a sense of me.

I have listened to many teachers, for me personally no other message has been this effective at unravelling the sense of a separate self.

Jim seems to be underestimated precisely because the message is so simple.

He is simply empty of it? How then could there still be a he.  Think it through   You don't yet understand that the ego is everything keeping you as you

Edited 29 minutes ago by Inliytened1