A verse from Quran and a Hadith from Prophet Muhammad is enough

[James123]

"And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein."
— Surah Qaf / Quran 

"Neither My heaven nor My earth could contain Me, but the heart of My believing servant contains Me."

— Spiritual Saying / Hadith Qudsi / Prophet Muhammad 

La İlahe İllallah.

 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

"And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein."
— Surah Qaf / Quran 

"Neither My heaven nor My earth could contain Me, but the heart of My believing servant contains Me."

— Spiritual Saying / Hadith Qudsi / Prophet Muhammad 

La İlahe İllallah.

 

Beauty is it’s purest form represents a reflection of the divine.

Thankyou. 🙏

[James123]

17 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Beauty is it’s purest form represents a reflection of the divine.

Thankyou. 🙏

You, You, You ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, James123 said:

You, You, You ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

Yes. 
 

It’s no coincidence that when I first started out on this spiritual journey, it was Sufism that spoke to me the most.

Absofuckinlutely 💯

[James123]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Yes. 
 

It’s no coincidence that when I first started out on this spiritual journey, it was Sufism that spoke to me the most.

Absofuckinlutely 💯

La İlahe İllallah.

Every step is it, every breath is it, every knowledge is it.

La İlahe İllallah.

I gave up, can't control anymore, come and burn with me.

La İlahe İllallah.

[James123]

I stopped playing role of god, it is to heavy to own something.

realized that hell is claiming ownership. Even a thought.

I gave up, come and burn with me.

[Ziran]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

And We have already created man and know what his soul whispers to him, and We are closer to him than [his] jugular vein.

This one is true.  ... it's as close as close can be.   The OT also has this teaching coming from Moses : " it is very close to you, in your mouth and in your heart ... ".  Deut 30

3 hours ago, James123 said:

"Neither My heaven nor My earth could contain Me, but the heart of My believing servant contains Me."

This one, imo, needs attention.   The first part is true, but the last part is not.

1)  Allah is the one which is distinguishing this from that, for lack of better words.  Referring back to the OT, Genesis 1, Allah is the one which is "dividing waters from waters".  

2)  Because of this, Allah is equally, consistently, completely, and simultaneously within-and-without the heavens, the earth, the believing-heart.
      - Allah is the one and only dividing heaven from earth and vice versa.
      - Allah is the one and only dividing believing-heart from disbelieving heart.

?? If so, James, How can it be rationally asserted that Allah is contained ??

?? Allah is the one and only dividing between contained and released ??

 

 

[James123]

33 minutes ago, Ziran said:

This one is true.  ... it's as close as close can be.   The OT also has this teaching coming from Moses : " it is very close to you, in your mouth and in your heart ... ".  Deut 30

This one, imo, needs attention.   The first part is true, but the last part is not.

1)  Allah is the one which is distinguishing this from that, for lack of better words.  Referring back to the OT, Genesis 1, Allah is the one which is "dividing waters from waters".  

2)  Because of this, Allah is equally, consistently, completely, and simultaneously within-and-without the heavens, the earth, the believing-heart.
      - Allah is the one and only dividing heaven from earth and vice versa.
      - Allah is the one and only dividing believing-heart from disbelieving heart.

?? If so, James, How can it be rationally asserted that Allah is contained ??

?? Allah is the one and only dividing between contained and released ??

 

 

When heart opens, lovers meet, actually not meet but merge. 

Everything is it, but it is none.

[James123]

@Ziran when logic is there, heart doesn't shine. 

End of the logic is beginning of the heart. İf logic can be true, it can be understood through reading one experiencing. But, can't.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

I stopped playing role of god, it is to heavy to own something.

realized that hell is claiming ownership. Even a thought.

I gave up, come and burn with me.

 

I, Lalla, came through the gate of my soul's jasmine garden

and found Shiva and Shakti there, locked in love!

Drunk with joy, I threw myself into the lake of nectar.

Who cares if I'm a dead woman walking!

[Mellowmarsh]

28 minutes ago, James123 said:

When heart opens, lovers meet, actually not meet but merge. 

Everything is it, but it is none.

The minute I heard my first love story,

I started looking for you, not knowing

how blind that was.

Lovers don't finally meet somewhere. They're in each other all along. Rumi.

[James123]

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

I, Lalla, came through the gate of my soul's jasmine garden

and found Shiva and Shakti there, locked in love!

Drunk with joy, I threw myself into the lake of nectar.

Who cares if I'm a dead woman walking!

Unbelievable.

8 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Lovers don't finally meet somewhere. They're in each other all along. Rumi.

Amazing 

[Ziran]

3 hours ago, James123 said:

when logic is there, heart doesn't shine. 

"sometimes" or even "often", but not "always"

There are types of logic which encourage intellectual awe and heart-felt wonder ( simultaneously ).  Unless I'm mistaken, that's the logic you're using.  Whether or not the heart is being stifled depends on whether the cognition is expanding or contracting.
 

Edited 4 hours ago by Ziran

[James123]

1 hour ago, Ziran said:

"sometimes" or even "often", but not "always"

There are types of logic which encourage intellectual awe and heart-felt wonder ( simultaneously ).  Unless I'm mistaken, that's the logic you're using.  Whether or not the heart is being stifled depends on whether the cognition is expanding or contracting.
 

İf logic is used by person as trying to figure out or experience or know what Truth or love is, it is misleading.

However, if one deeply knows, (actually it is not about knowing or embodying, I really don't know how to explain), that there is not a you or person in body, mind / logic is at ease, therefore, after that heart takes the movement, not the mind.

[LordFall]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

I stopped playing role of god, it is to heavy to own something.

realized that hell is claiming ownership. Even a thought.

I gave up, come and burn with me.

I don't think God created us to be mindless beings or slave. I think perhaps true beauty comes from the co-creation process of life. If you aren't the co-owner of reality then you won't have much power or interest in helping it move towards the better as you will embrace your state of weakness and pray for God to solve all your problems. 

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

really don't know how to explain

Can it be described as an edge case, a specific type of cognition within the general category of "knowing":  Gnostic-agnostism. "it's certainly unknown"?

From another POV, same cognition, can it be described as "understanding" something without needing to "know" it deeply, intimately?  The common example here is the relationship between two friendly neighbors.  Feudal lords, for example.  These two understand each other w/o knowing each other deeply, intimately, etc.

This distinction between knowing and understanding can be found in the Bible where "knowing" is a euphemism:  Adam knew Eve... ( chapter 4, verse 1, iir)

ETA:  RE: Understanding, see here: Lexicon Search for "Tevunah" - deep probing understanding

Edited 1 hour ago by Ziran

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

if one deeply know

the word I hear/see in this regard is "certitude".  You'll find it most often among Bahai.

ETA:  Google Search Link

Edited 2 hours ago by Ziran

[James123]

24 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Can it be described as an edge case, a specific type of cognition within the general category of "knowing":  Gnostic-agnostism. "it's certainly unknown"?

From another POV, same cognition, can it be described as "understanding" something without needing to "know" it deeply, intimately?  The common example here is the relationship between two friendly neighbors.  Feudal lords, for example.  These two understand each other w/o knowing each other deeply, intimately, etc.

This distinction between knowing and understanding can be found in the Bible where "knowing" is a euphemism:  Adam knew Eve... ( chapter 4, verse 1, iir)

ETA:  RE: Understanding, see here: Lexicon Search for "Tevunah" - deep probing understanding

 

22 minutes ago, Ziran said:

the word I hear/see in this regard is "certitude".  You'll find it most often among Bahai.

ETA:  Google Search Link

I have tried to read them, yet they are too advance, I couldn't understand it.

Can you clarify?

What I mean is, there is a knowledge in the surface, yet doesn't belong to anyone, and it shines.

Where I am really is deep down, all the way down of the eyes, or body. I don't know, but I am all the way down. I see the mind, thoughts, body movements at the surface. But, me as not something or nothing, it is just ducking me. That's all. Have no name, shape, identification, even as nothing, still an identification. Just Me.

[James123]

43 minutes ago, James123 said:

 

I have tried to read them, yet they are too advance, I couldn't understand it.

Can you clarify?

What I mean is, there is a knowledge in the surface, yet doesn't belong to anyone, and it shines.

Where I am really is deep down, all the way down of the eyes, or body. I don't know, but I am all the way down. I see the mind, thoughts, body movements at the surface. But, me as not something or nothing, it is just ducking me. That's all. Have no name, shape, identification, even as nothing, still an identification. Just Me.

Yet, that doesn't mean, that I choose the words or write, I do not do anything whatsoever. I am not even a witness. 

With heart pump, body dances as writing these sentences, fingers sings.

La İlahe İllallah.