Women are attracted to relativity

[Natasha Tori Maru]

6 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Not these. If these were the metrics for attraction, they would be the general population, due to natural selection.

The reality is that these features are rare. They're here by luck or by mutation.

The other indicators, yes. But again, they can manifest differently for different people.

Haha, tell that to the looksmaxxers with their pseudo adoption of mathematical principals applied to faces 😜

20 minutes ago, Jirh said:

You are not attracted to a healthy horse.

I think this is a silly example. Domain error in species. Can't just use category errors like that and try to argue from there.

[Xonas Pitfall]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

LOL.

It DOES if you have a pussy. 

A pussy cannot afford to not care about social standards. Social standards are life and death, not a silly game.

There are so many men who pick women based on the social perception of what an attractive “baddie” is, yet they don’t really see her as their type at all. A lot of red pill spaces are essentially a circle jerk of men who flex on each other about how attractive of a woman they’re with and how it boosts their position in the social hierarchy, even though they themselves couldn’t care less about the woman. A “trophy girlfriend” or “trophy wife.”

Or men who pick their wives based on the idea of the “good girl,” the “good wife” archetype because that’s what society tells them is ideal, even if they don’t feel any genuine attraction. Then, they end up cheating because of that mismatch. A classic trope.

Cock also seems to care quite a lot 

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[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Cock also seems to care quite a lot 

Of course. Because pussy cares.

Cock must care what pussy cares if it wants pussy 

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[Xonas Pitfall]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course. Because pussy cares 

Here it sounds more like... Cock 🐔 caring about cock 🐔 if you ask me 

Cock-fight 🐔

If men choose a partner based on what other men or society see as inherently valuable, but they don’t actually feel that attracted, and then they cheat, feel lonely, etc... well, then I’m not sure if that’s really about caring about pussy or about the opinions of other men / society.

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[Jirh]

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It DOES if you have an pussy ego. 

An pussy ego cannot afford to not care about social standards.

Fixed.

50 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Social standards are life and death, not a silly game.

They aren't really life and death. Minimum wage is enough for survival in first-world countries. Yet social standards there are most important.

That's because most people don't want to just survive. They want to win the ego game.

The most danger is at celebrity class. Yet, most people want to be celebrities. How do you explain that without accepting that life and death are ignored in this context?

[Jirh]

48 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Haha, tell that to the looksmaxxers with their pseudo adoption of mathematical principals applied to faces 😜

Let me bring my ruler first and slap it on their faces.

I mean my dildo 

48 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I think this is a silly example. Domain error in species. Can't just use category errors like that and try to argue from there.

True. It was more of a way to illustrate that biology is what determines raw attraction.

But you can find human-horse porn videos on the internet. It's not that outlandish lol. Bestiality is a known porn category.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Jirh looksmaxxers working out if someone is attractive to them or not. 

Do you think they carry scale rulers and protractors? 🤣🤣🤣

Fuck it's too easy to rip on looksmaxxing. I need a challenge lol

[Jirh]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Do you think they carry scale rulers and protractors? 🤣🤣🤣

I'm more worried about what they would do with a sharpener 😂🤫

[Jirh]

Raw attraction is like when you see your favourite food and start yearning for it and drooling over it. You just can't help it.

It could be the most toxic food. It could be the most frowned-upon food by society. That doesn't matter.

What matters is the horny/emotional state it puts you in. Then you become weak and on your knees for it.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Jirh said:

Raw attraction is like when you see your favourite food and start yearning for it and drooling over it. You just can't help it.

It could be the most toxic food. It could be the most frowned-upon food by society. That doesn't matter.

What matters is the horny/emotional state it puts you in. Then you become weak and on your knees for it.

Yes! 

But for women that includes the man's status. Even if it's unconscious. Women get horny for men with status.

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[Jirh]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes! 

But for women that includes the man's status. Even if it's unconscious.

For many women, sure. But not all.

Attraction is different for everyone. And there are many factors besides status that matter.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Jirh said:

For many women, sure. But not all.

Attraction is different for everyone. And there are many factors besides status that matter.

We are never talking about ALL women in such discussions. We are talking about a bell curve. We seek to understand the curve.

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[Jirh]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We are never talking about ALL women in such discussions. We are talking about a bell curve. We seek to understand the curve.

Well then, it's fair to point out that many women also get horny for men without status.

I think the deeper insight for me here is that the ego is not separate from sexuality.

But I will keep my position that raw attraction is far stronger and more permanent than ego induced attraction.

And yeah, I love the curve 😈🥵

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[Xonas Pitfall]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes! 

But for women that includes the man's status. Even if it's unconscious. Women get horny for men with status.

But men absolutely care about women’s status too, just in the way society and other “men” prescribe high-value status to a woman. So they might be put off if she seems too promiscuous or “high body count,” or if she doesn’t seem like someone the “boys” would find hot or attractive to show off or brag about, or just to be socially seen as a "high-status" guy who can and gets the hot girls. They can be very heavily sensitive to social perceptions of what kind of girl they choose says about them. So this idea that it’s less relevant for guys, even on a bell curve, doesn’t really hold up. I feel like you definitely see men being very sensitive here, too. What kind of women does society signal as indicating that a man has succeeded and is attractive? As we know, people are very conformist in general, so many will end up chasing that ideal, which again points to the relative and societal influence in what is considered attractive for both men and women.

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[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Well then, it's fair to point out that many women also get horny for men without status.

And men get horny for a vacuum cleaner. So what?

All else being equal woman will choose the high status guy if she can get him. Women LOVE to chase guys with status.

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[Xonas Pitfall]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

All else being equal woman will choose the high status guy if she can get him.

All else being equal, a man will choose the high-status girl if he can get her.

It’s just that women’s status isn’t the same as men’s, but to claim it isn’t heavily socially influenced, or that what is considered a high-status girl doesn’t change across location, religion, “social tribe,” and time, is definitely not true. And that men aren’t sensitive and don’t take it into consideration when picking a girl, and that it’s based on just "objective" attraction, is also not true; or that somehow women do it more or less objectively than men, I suppose. That’s also how you end up with a lot of incel men who cannot find anyone they think is "worthy" of a long-term relationship, or who even mess up basic hookup dates because they’ve deluded themselves into thinking about what kind of girl they “deserve” or are “supposed” to be with. Men also LOVE to chase girls far beyond their “league” or “status.”

Of course, there are women and men who don’t care, are more grounded, or/and are non-conformist and will just date more "normally, within their range". But if we take your average guy and girl who are playing more of these dating “games,” then both are heavily influenced by social media, their environment, social groups, etc., and what they think their definition of attraction and success is. I’ve heard and seen a lot of conformist takes on both sides: men who pick attractive women but don’t care about being around them, they just keep them around to "flex" to society; and women who try to find and demand the most from “high-status” guys, "princess treatment," etc.

The way people mostly date is just that they find people they’re comfortable around through hobbies, getting along, workplaces, or someone within their attractiveness range, maybe a bit less or more.

All of these other takes like hypergamy, social games, overly filtered “baddie” looks standards, resource-sharing dynamics, "high-status, high-value" are a lot more red-pill, extreme terminology.

Edited 1 hour ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

All else being equal, a man will choose the high-status girl if he can get her.

You are blurring the lines and creating a misleading equivalence.

Men don't need nor care about a woman's status. That is not what men need.

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[Xonas Pitfall]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are blurring the lines and creating a misleading equivalence.

Men don't need nor care about a woman's status. That is not what men need.

How so?

To clarify, I’m not saying they want the same type of status, that’s not what I’m arguing.

I’m just saying both are highly susceptible to what society tells them a “high-status/value” woman or man is, and that both men and women can be extremely conformist and manipulated by society in terms of what they should seek and find attractive, which was the original point.

That’s how you get incel men who get fed and influenced by red-pill ideology, conservative tradwife content, pick-me content, or ultra-filtered “baddie” looks Sydney Sweeney meme, and then genuinely believe they should keep chasing that type of girl and that they “failed as a man” if they don’t get something like that. Or they feel ashamed if their actual girlfriend has too “high of a body count,” or someone from their friend group might call it out, or she’s not really someone their friend group approves of or finds cool, attractive, even though the guy might actually like her, etc.

The point is, men are also heavily socially influenced here and can be very conformist in that sense.

Even if they might be attracted to a specific type of girl, style, or personality, if that doesn’t really conform to what their social group or society tells them is appropriate girlfriend or wife material, many won’t even introspect on it and will just follow it blindly too.

I’m not saying women don’t do this either, but I just haven’t seen less or more conformity on either side.

Plenty of men will keep chasing whatever social media idealized girl without even questioning if that’s what they actually want. So to say men have some sort of more or less objective radar or are less influenced by what social standards deem as "attractive", I don’t see that as true, but I might be wrong.

Edited 1 hour ago by Xonas Pitfall