Jiddu Krishnamurti

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Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Wrong I 

 

Wow so amazing explanation. Yeah you convince me, I was wrong, sorry. Charisma is everything. If someone with the juddus look said, it's directly true. James the wise man approved.

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Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Yeah you convince me, I was wrong, sorry

You’re entitled to be wrong. 

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1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You’re entitled to be wrong. 

What is important is that you feel safe, then believe what makes you feel good, that what spirituality is about right? To give hope and sell books 

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3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You’re entitled to be wrong. 

You said that you have cats right? You can't see them? Only the word "cat"? Like if you were a computer?

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5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You said that you have cats right? You can't see them? Only the word "cat"? Like if you were a computer?

I have seen an image of a cat. Yes, that is conceptually known. However, no real cat is there, only an image of the imageless.

 

Seeing is real, but the seer is never seen, the seen is only known to the seer that is never seen. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

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10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is important is that you feel safe, then believe what makes you feel good, that what spirituality is about right? To give hope and sell books 

What you already are, is not for sale, you are always free.

 

As for books, haven’t you ever read a book? How would you know what you are looking at if there was no recorded image of it? 

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20 hours ago, Osaid said:

The actual quote is quite poignant.

"The day you teach the child the name of the bird, the child will never see that bird again" - JK

Lets analyze this quote because represent the thought of Krishnamurti.

According to him, the direct image of the bird is the essence of the bird. This image is formed by the posterior lobe of the child's brain based on the photons captured by the retina.

According to Jiddu, this is the truth. However, if the child learns things about the bird, which are stored in the frontal lobe and the default mode network, and the structure created by the frontal lobe is superimposed on the image of the bird created by the posterior lobe, this is false.

So, according to him, the posterior lobe is the truth and the frontal lobe the lie? That's strange. Perhaps he doesn't understand that any perception requires interpretation. Without minimal interpretation, you wouldn't even see the bird; you wouldn't distinguish it from the background. You would see a mixture of colors and disconnected sounds. A cat, if it sees a bird, interprets it as food. Perhaps it isn't enlightened. If I take 7 gr of mushroom I don't see a bird, I see a brunch of colors and waves. It doesn't seem more true than the bird. It's just without structure .

Krishnamurti's entire discourse has absolutely no relation to enlightenment. He's just a guy pretending to be mysterious and profound, accumulating nonsense upon nonsense. His skill in convincing some people of his genius is commendable.

The perception is the reality in the form of perception. The interpretation is the reality in the form of interpretation. Deep meditation is a state that is possible being human and interpretation is another. No one is false, and of course, no one is unreal, out of the reality. 

Meditation is the ability to dissolve all the limits, then the perception becomes unlimited. That doesn't mean that you perceive unlimited things and you are omniscient god, but that the fact of unlimited being is perceived by itself. Interpretation is the ability to perceive the limits and it's not false, it's limited. And Krishnamurti is a professional scammer, same than almost all the gurus

Edited 1 hour ago by Breakingthewall

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Lets analyze this quote because represent the thought of Krishnamurti.

According to him, the direct image of the bird is the essence of the bird. This image is formed by the posterior lobe of the child's brain based on the photons captured by the retina.

According to Jiddu, this is the truth. However, if the child learns things about the bird, which are stored in the frontal lobe and the default mode network, and the structure created by the frontal lobe is superimposed on the image of the bird created by the posterior lobe, this is false.

So, according to him, the posterior lobe is the truth and the frontal lobe the lie? That's strange. Perhaps he doesn't understand that any perception requires interpretation. Without minimal interpretation, you wouldn't even see the bird; you wouldn't distinguish it from the background. You would see a mixture of colors and disconnected sounds. A cat, if it sees a bird, interprets it as food. Perhaps it isn't enlightened. If I take 7 gr of mushroom I don't see a bird, I see a brunch of colors and waves. It doesn't seem more true than the bird. It's just without structure .

Krishnamurti's entire discourse has absolutely no relation to enlightenment. He's just a guy pretending to be mysterious and profound, accumulating nonsense upon nonsense. His skill in convincing some people of his genius is commendable.

The perception is the reality in the form of perception. The interpretation is the reality in the form of interpretation. Deep meditation is a state that is possible being human and interpretation is another. No one is false, and of course, no one is unreal, out of the reality. 

Meditation is the ability to dissolve all the limits, then the perception becomes unlimited. That doesn't mean that you perceive unlimited things and you are omniscient god, but that the fact of unlimited being is perceived by itself. Interpretation is the ability to perceive the limits and it's not false, it's limited. And Krishnamurti is a professional scammer, same than almost all the gurus

Okay, and what exactly are we to take away from that message? 
 

Your mission if you choose to accept it is to present an answer in simple layman’s terms, preferably in less than six words. 

 

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1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Without minimal interpretation, you wouldn't even see the bird; you wouldn't distinguish it from the background.

Yes, that is the whole point.

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It doesn't seem more true than the bird. It's just without structure .

"More truth" is still interpretation.

It's not about ignoring the structure, it's about seeing the entirety of it. In order to see the entirety you cannot distinguish anything.

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10 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Okay, and what exactly are we to take away from that message? 
 

Your mission if you choose to accept it is to present an answer in simple layman’s terms, preferably in less than six words. 

 

Read it. 

9 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Yes, that is the whole point.

"More truth" is still interpretation.

It's not about ignoring the structure, it's about seeing the entirety of it. In order to see the entirety you cannot distinguish anything.

Krishnamurti says that the present is the truth and the past false, then the kid sees the bird and that is true, but if he interpret about the bird that's false, because comes from the past. Well, the brain, the bird, the perception, everything has a previous condition..for k the interpretation is out of the reality, the reality is without interpretation. He's totally wrong, creating dualities all time. He also say that humans are wrong from thousands of years ago. Maybe life is also wrong, with all those killings. He's just a moralistic narrow minded disguised of enlightened