Accepting death, finding something more than life, enlightenment

[James123]

 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

Birth and Death are the same thing, they just differ in appearance.

[Sugarcoat]

What death you mean, body or ego? it gives this different meaning 

 

Edited June 10 by Sugarcoat

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What death you mean, body or ego? it gives this different meaning 

 

Birth of body is appearance, death of body is disappearance , and so it seems that that which can appear can disappear, and vice versa. Disappearance and Appearance seem to differ, but neither can exist without the other.
 

How or from where or why appearances and disappearances arise and fall is one of the most unanswerable mysteries that cannot be solved. That mystery is where human comprehension breaks down completely because the mystery is even a mystery to itself. .it’s like human comprehension hits an impasse or horizon that can never be crossed.
 

 But this is just my personal insight, it doesn’t mean that it’s true for others, it’s just true for me, the way I personally vision it as I imagine it. IT being this, and this being nothing other than this, because this is it. This is all there is that can be known.

[Someone here]

6 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

How or from where or why appearances and disappearances arise and fall is one of the most unanswerable mysteries that cannot be solved

They arise and fade from and into the absolute . It really doesn’t matter what words you choose for it : the absolute ..the void ..god ..pure love..emptiness . 
just think of falling asleep and waking up .

[James123]

7 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

What death you mean, body or ego? it gives this different meaning 

 

Real death is not death of the body and mind, it is death of the attachment.

Therefore life is now, arises and falls within You, yet doesn't belong to You. İt has its own flow.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

They arise and fade from and into the absolute . It really doesn’t matter what words you choose for it : the absolute ..the void ..god ..pure love..emptiness . 
just think of falling asleep and waking up .

Well yeah, you may want to call it the absolute and that would be what everything is, but this absolute everything cannot know it’s absolute because it is absolute. How would the absolute know itself? it would have to split in two into knower and known. 
Anything known would only be relative to the absolute and relative ideas about the absolute are absurd. The known know nothing. How can something relative know anything about the absolute, when the relative is identical to the absolute that cannot know its absolute. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality.
 

All that I know is that I know nothing. That KNOWN remains a mystery, always, eternal.
 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 hours ago, James123 said:

Real death is not death of the body and mind, it is death of the attachment.

Therefore life is now, arises and falls within You, yet doesn't belong to You. İt has its own flow.

Death of attachment is when you’re no longer identified with roles and labels and conventional definition of person.

You don’t belong to a person. A person doesn’t belong to You.

[Someone here]

42 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Well yeah, you may want to call it the absolute and that would be what everything is, but this absolute everything cannot know it’s absolute because it is absolute. How would the absolute know itself? it would have to split in two into knower and known. 
Anything known would only be relative to the absolute and relative ideas about the absolute are absurd. The known know nothing. How can something relative know anything about the absolute, when the relative is identical to the absolute that cannot know its absolute. Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality.
 

All that I know is that I know nothing. That KNOWN remains a mystery, always, eternal.
 

The absolute is both Immanent and transcendental. The only thing that exists . It’s both the formless ground or essence of everything and it’s simultaneously the very thing which appears to be the relative forms and the physical world . 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

The absolute is both Immanent and transcendental. The only thing that exists . It’s both the formless ground or essence of everything and it’s simultaneously the very thing which appears to be the relative forms and the physical world . 

That which appears to transcend, never transcends.

“What you know can never be the beyond. Whatever you experience is not the beyond. If there is any beyond, this movement of 'you' is absent. The absence of this movement probably is the beyond, but the beyond can never be experienced by you; it is when the 'you' is not there. Why are you trying to experience a thing that cannot be experienced?”

UGK

[Someone here]

@Mellowmarsh I’m honestly not sure what are you trying to communicate.

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Mellowmarsh I’m honestly not sure what are you trying to communicate.

There’s only one of you, not two of you. You cannot know yourself without splitting in two,  into knower and known.
Don’t try to understand what someone else is saying, just know yourself. We are here to understand ourself not be understood by other. 

Never mind. 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s only one of you, not two of you. You cannot know yourself without splitting in two,  into knower and known.

 

ok thank you for clarifying. I think this is pedantry.  Obviously I can know myself . I can know itself . 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Someone here said:

 

ok thank you for clarifying. I think this is pedantry.  Obviously I can know myself . I can know itself . 

It’s only pedantry when you try to communicate with illusory others. 
 

Obviously. 

[Sugarcoat]

15 hours ago, James123 said:

Real death is not death of the body and mind, it is death of the attachment.

Therefore life is now, arises and falls within You, yet doesn't belong to You. İt has its own flow.

Attachment to what?

[Sugarcoat]

22 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Birth of body is appearance, death of body is disappearance , and so it seems that that which can appear can disappear, and vice versa. Disappearance and Appearance seem to differ, but neither can exist without the other.
 

How or from where or why appearances and disappearances arise and fall is one of the most unanswerable mysteries that cannot be solved. That mystery is where human comprehension breaks down completely because the mystery is even a mystery to itself. .it’s like human comprehension hits an impasse or horizon that can never be crossed.
 

 But this is just my personal insight, it doesn’t mean that it’s true for others, it’s just true for me, the way I personally vision it as I imagine it. IT being this, and this being nothing other than this, because this is it. This is all there is that can be known.

Yea we are totally "in it", we have direct access to some kind of reality but it remains mystery 🤯

[Mellowmarsh]

@Sugarcoat yea 

[James123]

6 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Attachment to what?

Universe

 

[Sugarcoat]

7 hours ago, James123 said:

Universe

 

Maybe youre saying something profound but using vague terms. Sounds to me like youre talking about giving up attachment to ones life or something, "universe" is way vaster, can't be attached to something so vast as a human 

[Mellowmarsh]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

Universe

 

There are not two separate things ("me" and "the universe")

 You are the universe experiencing itself from a specific vantage point. 

You are unable to be attached to yourself because you are never detached from yourself.