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On 6/15/2026 at 2:51 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

By this, are you implying they shot themselves in the foot and made a mistake in an attempt to grab investor cash?

If so, this is what I am claiming. It is a sales tactic.

I mean, I don't think this particular move was deliberate but hurts them instead. I don't see how constantly screaming your software is going to make everyone unemployed or destroy us all is good marketing. 

Cal Newport actually has an interesting take on this: 

Basically he's saying these Silicon Valley AI guys are so deep into this "rationalist doomer subculture", that's just how they talk. Only now are they getting pushback on that because they're trying to take these things public. 

8 hours ago, integral said:

My biggest worry is that they're going to limit higher end models for US citizens only.

It's impossible to enforce this. Besides, the open source models are only about 6 months behind the flagships so it's constantly moving. 

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@Butters you haven't heard the term - all publicity is good publicity? Think about it. They get their name out there. Which is worth more than gold - the economy of attention is the biggest one there is. 

Think about Trump etc

Even the news, as another example. All the negative stuff makes the headlines.

And to really double down - the news is GOOD for anthropic. It sends the message "this is so powerful, we had to put on the breaks" you can infer that power is now going to be diverted to be used for good (which is why it was withdrawn and stopped, to revise guardrails etc). Huge positive spin/implication.

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It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled.

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27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Butters you haven't heard the term - all publicity is good publicity? Think about it. They get their name out there. Which is worth more than gold - the economy of attention is the biggest one there is. 

Think about Trump etc

Even the news, as another example. All the negative stuff makes the headlines.

And to really double down - the news is GOOD for anthropic. It sends the message "this is so powerful, we had to put on the breaks" you can infer that power is now going to be diverted to be used for good (which is why it was withdrawn and stopped, to revise guardrails etc). Huge positive spin/implication.

I just don't agree with that. I think it will make their non-US enterprise customers seriously consider local LLMs and non-US alternatives. This move really broke something in how people view flagship models from now on and that you can't rely on using them. 

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21 minutes ago, Butters said:

I just don't agree with that. I think it will make their non-US enterprise customers seriously consider local LLMs and non-US alternatives. This move really broke something in how people view flagship models from now on and that you can't rely on using them. 

What are you basing that on? 


It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled.

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7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

What are you basing that on? 

Just the fact that digital autonomy is such a hot botton issue around the globe now. 

https://www.thetimes.com/business/technology/article/lift-ban-on-newest-ai-models-uk-urges-donald-trump-vlhr3qhbv

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: Prime Minister Keir Starmer and No. 10 officials launched an urgent diplomatic push to secure a "carve-out" for the United Kingdom. They highlighted that British hospitals, researchers, and enterprises were already actively integrating Fable 5 into their workflows. [1, 2, 3]

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https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/eu-commission-looking-practical-consequences-anthropic-decision-spokesperson-2026-06-14/

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"This development is a further ⁠illustration of why Europe needs to strengthen its technological sovereignty,” Regnier said. "We are looking ⁠closely at the practical consequences of this for European users of these services.”

It's a pretty big deal. 

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: European policymakers are pointing to the incident as definitive proof that Europe is currently "at the mercy of foreign governments" for foundational, strategically relevant technology

 

https://table.media/?p=ec56e75d-cf8a-43fc-a1f5-6b4c163e53e4

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: The crisis has supercharged demands within European committees to shift funding away from proprietary American APIs and redirect resources toward competitive, home-grown open-source AI initiatives—such as the proposed OpenEuroLLM project—to prevent Washington from controlling European tech access in the future. 

 

https://www.cep.eu/eu-topics/details/us-access-ban-on-anthropics-fablemythos-5-more-of-a-geopolitical-signal-than-a-necessary-security-measure.html

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What's actually concerning is combining both that video I shared with the new article I shared. No Fortune 500 company, legal or medical could ever use Anthopic's Fable 5 because it retains user data for 30 days by default with no way to opt-out. 

Yet "They highlighted that British hospitals, researchers, and enterprises were already actively integrating Fable 5 into their workflows". 

Wtf 😑

I assume the UK hospitals were using it for tasks that have nothing to do with patient data but still, this is the whole point of data protection and why we need a strong EU alternative. 

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For Europe there is currently french based company Mistral A.I., you can use their A.I. via their agent chatbot platform Vibe, they also got Vibe for coding. It's nowhere near Fable 5 obviously, but you're not gonna get ahead of that model anymore I don't think, I think US might have essentially won the race for A.I. already since they're gonna use Fable 5 and even Mythos to build even stronger model. But Europe and China won't be so far behind; there's also a german model but Mistral is the best for Europe right now; furthermore, baggettes are planning to invest at least 75 billion euros into french data centers


 

 

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Google AI answered my question, but it's more concerning than I thought tbh

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When U.K. Member of Parliament Al Carns declared that British hospitals had been abruptly stripped of Fable 5, it exposed a massive compliance crisis. The reality of how UK hospitals were using it boils down to two things: sovereign cloud environments and widespread "Shadow IT". [1, 3, 4]

1. How it was "Legally" Happening: Cloud-Enclosed Data

Anthropic launched Fable 5 with a strict "No Zero-Data-Retention (ZDR)" policy for safety monitoring, overriding previous corporate privacy structures. To let regulated industries still use it, Anthropic built a specific workaround via cloud providers: [3, 5, 6]

The Sovereign Vault: When a hospital accesses Fable 5 through Google Cloud's Agent Platform or Amazon Bedrock, the mandatory 30-day data retention still applies, but the data stays completely within the hospital's private, encrypted cloud environment. [3]

The Safety Loop: Anthropic's safety classifiers scan the data for abuse, but the raw prompts containing potential Protected Health Information (PHI) are never pulled back into Anthropic’s main servers. This allows NHS trusts to argue they are maintaining compliance with local data privacy laws. [3, 4, 6, 7]

2. The Realist Answer: Widespread "Shadow IT"

Despite the technical cloud workarounds, many institutional legal teams were still in the process of blocking Fable 5. The reason the U.K. government is panicking over the sudden U.S. export ban is due to a massive wave of unauthorized corporate usage: [1, 4, 5, 8]

Bypassing Legal: Individual doctors, medical researchers, and NHS administrative staff were actively using Fable 5 on personal Pro or Max accounts to help them write research papers, analyze non-personally identifiable medical code, or summarize dense paperwork. [1, 6]

The Sudden Shutdown: When the U.S. government suddenly pulled the plug over a "jailbreak" national security scare, it completely broke day-to-day workflows for thousands of individual professionals who had woven the model into their daily tasks without official IT sign-off. [1, 9, 10]

📉 The Ultimate Irony

The mandatory 30-day data retention policy was forced onto enterprise users specifically to prevent national security risks and jailbreaks. Instead, the policy frustrated corporate compliance teams, pushed users toward personal shadow accounts, and ultimate failure to stop a security freakout from the U.S. Commerce Department anyway. [1, 6, 9]

Because of this, European tech leaders are calling this a massive wake-up call to stop relying on U.S. tech infrastructure entirely. [11]

 

[1] https://www.reddit.com

[2] https://www.reddit.com

[3] https://support.claude.com

[4] https://fortune.com

[5] https://www.reddit.com

[6] https://www.forrester.com

[7] https://aiweekly.co

[8] https://www.youtube.com

[9] https://www.anthropic.com

[10] https://www.instagram.com

[11] https://www.euronews.com

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Although that should be taken with a grain of salt given the sources. 

Either way, if Fable 5 does relaunch with strict geo-locking I predict a shadow economy. I will definitely hire a US based VA to run the model for me (data analysis) and send me the report. Easy. Literally just give someone Github access, ask them to run Fable with the prompts I tell them, and report back when it's done. 

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