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The most powerful consumer AI model ever has been released today

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On 6/15/2026 at 2:51 AM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

By this, are you implying they shot themselves in the foot and made a mistake in an attempt to grab investor cash?

If so, this is what I am claiming. It is a sales tactic.

I mean, I don't think this particular move was deliberate but hurts them instead. I don't see how constantly screaming your software is going to make everyone unemployed or destroy us all is good marketing. 

Cal Newport actually has an interesting take on this: 

Basically he's saying these Silicon Valley AI guys are so deep into this "rationalist doomer subculture", that's just how they talk. Only now are they getting pushback on that because they're trying to take these things public. 

8 hours ago, integral said:

My biggest worry is that they're going to limit higher end models for US citizens only.

It's impossible to enforce this. Besides, the open source models are only about 6 months behind the flagships so it's constantly moving. 

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@Butters you haven't heard the term - all publicity is good publicity? Think about it. They get their name out there. Which is worth more than gold - the economy of attention is the biggest one there is. 

Think about Trump etc

Even the news, as another example. All the negative stuff makes the headlines.

And to really double down - the news is GOOD for anthropic. It sends the message "this is so powerful, we had to put on the breaks" you can infer that power is now going to be diverted to be used for good (which is why it was withdrawn and stopped, to revise guardrails etc). Huge positive spin/implication.

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It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled.

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27 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Butters you haven't heard the term - all publicity is good publicity? Think about it. They get their name out there. Which is worth more than gold - the economy of attention is the biggest one there is. 

Think about Trump etc

Even the news, as another example. All the negative stuff makes the headlines.

And to really double down - the news is GOOD for anthropic. It sends the message "this is so powerful, we had to put on the breaks" you can infer that power is now going to be diverted to be used for good (which is why it was withdrawn and stopped, to revise guardrails etc). Huge positive spin/implication.

I just don't agree with that. I think it will make their non-US enterprise customers seriously consider local LLMs and non-US alternatives. This move really broke something in how people view flagship models from now on and that you can't rely on using them. 

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21 minutes ago, Butters said:

I just don't agree with that. I think it will make their non-US enterprise customers seriously consider local LLMs and non-US alternatives. This move really broke something in how people view flagship models from now on and that you can't rely on using them. 

What are you basing that on? 


It is far easier to fool someone, than to convince them they have been fooled.

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7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

What are you basing that on? 

Just the fact that digital autonomy is such a hot botton issue around the globe now. 

https://www.thetimes.com/business/technology/article/lift-ban-on-newest-ai-models-uk-urges-donald-trump-vlhr3qhbv

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: Prime Minister Keir Starmer and No. 10 officials launched an urgent diplomatic push to secure a "carve-out" for the United Kingdom. They highlighted that British hospitals, researchers, and enterprises were already actively integrating Fable 5 into their workflows. [1, 2, 3]

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https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/eu-commission-looking-practical-consequences-anthropic-decision-spokesperson-2026-06-14/

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"This development is a further ⁠illustration of why Europe needs to strengthen its technological sovereignty,” Regnier said. "We are looking ⁠closely at the practical consequences of this for European users of these services.”

It's a pretty big deal. 

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: European policymakers are pointing to the incident as definitive proof that Europe is currently "at the mercy of foreign governments" for foundational, strategically relevant technology

 

https://table.media/?p=ec56e75d-cf8a-43fc-a1f5-6b4c163e53e4

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: The crisis has supercharged demands within European committees to shift funding away from proprietary American APIs and redirect resources toward competitive, home-grown open-source AI initiatives—such as the proposed OpenEuroLLM project—to prevent Washington from controlling European tech access in the future. 

 

https://www.cep.eu/eu-topics/details/us-access-ban-on-anthropics-fablemythos-5-more-of-a-geopolitical-signal-than-a-necessary-security-measure.html

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What's actually concerning is combining both that video I shared with the new article I shared. No Fortune 500 company, legal or medical could ever use Anthopic's Fable 5 because it retains user data for 30 days by default with no way to opt-out. 

Yet "They highlighted that British hospitals, researchers, and enterprises were already actively integrating Fable 5 into their workflows". 

Wtf 😑

I assume the UK hospitals were using it for tasks that have nothing to do with patient data but still, this is the whole point of data protection and why we need a strong EU alternative. 

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For Europe there is currently french based company Mistral A.I., you can use their A.I. via their agent chatbot platform Vibe, they also got Vibe for coding. It's nowhere near Fable 5 obviously, but you're not gonna get ahead of that model anymore I don't think, I think US might have essentially won the race for A.I. already since they're gonna use Fable 5 and even Mythos to build even stronger model. But Europe and China won't be so far behind; there's also a german model but Mistral is the best for Europe right now; furthermore, baggettes are planning to invest at least 75 billion euros into french data centers


 

 

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