The Ocean of Being / Enlightenment in daily life

[Joseph Maynor]

12 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It killed me off.

So that’s a good thing because dead people no longer question anything. Or think about anything, anymore. 

Understood.  But then where does the need to teach another person come from?

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Understood.  But then where does the need to teach another person come from?

I think the difference between Joseph and Mellowmarsh is obvious. You teach people how to live, whereas I teach people how to die. And let’s not confuse this with physical literal suicide, it’s not about that, it’s about the dissolution of the illusory separate “ I” 

There is no “I” here right now. I never existed. There is a body and a brain. That feeling of aliveness is not going to go away. Life will go on as it always has. The belief that there is a “you” that controls life can be seen as just that, it’s a belief.

From belief to clarity.

[Joseph Maynor]

14 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I think the difference between Joseph and Mellowmarsh is obvious. You teach people how to live, whereas I teach people how to die. And let’s not confuse this with physical literal suicide, it’s not about that, it’s about the dissolution of the illusory separate “ I” 

There is no “I” here right now. I never existed. There is a body and a brain. That feeling of aliveness is not going to go away. Life will go on as it always has. The belief that there is a “you” that controls life can be seen as just that, it’s a belief.

From belief to clarity.

I love this.  Sort of.  I try to give guidance on how to be a creator in life.  I also factor enlightenment in too obviously.  

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I love this.  Sort of.  I try to give guidance on how to be a creator in life.  I also factor enlightenment in too obviously.  

Okay.

[Joseph Maynor]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Okay.

You didn't notice the pun at the end.  I was hoping you would have.  

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

You didn't notice the pun at the end.  I was hoping you would have.  

I think you underestimate. I noticed the pun, death for me is true enlightenment. So I guess we both teaching the same enlightenment, appearing as both death and life.

[Grateful Dead]

10 hours ago, James123 said:

I mean body as body and mind / entire body.

It is perfect it is the reason of experiencing

If perfect means sickness and death to you, then perhaps we simply have different definitions of the word. For me, it means indestructible, untouchable, eternal.

10 hours ago, James123 said:

Put a stick in your ass, and see the reaction of the mind / oh sorry body is mind projection. Literally put a stick and see the projection.

So, if someone punches you in the face in your dream tonight, does that confirm the reality of your dream body for you? From my perspective, it only confirms the mind's commitment to projecting. Pain is the most powerful weapon the mind uses to limit itself as a body.

11 hours ago, James123 said:

Moreover, actually mind is an imagination. Like mind or like consciousness. Brain is something like jelly, like kidney, or colon. 

Yes, the brain is merely a device that the mind uses to filter reality into a small, physical perspective. The brain is only matter in that sense, but matter cannot think; a kidney has no experience.

10 hours ago, James123 said:

@Grateful Dead

This should be enough for this talk.

I can also quote Ramana:

"Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) from within itself and again withdraws it into itself, so the mind projects the world from within itself and again withdraws it into itself."

"The world is not external. Because you identify yourself with the body, you see the world as external. The world is but a form of the mind."

"There is no world apart from the mind. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the wakeful and dream states, there are thoughts, and there is a world also."

"The world is like a cinema film. The pictures are projected on the screen. The pictures come and go, but the screen remains. Similarly, the Self is the screen on which the pictures of the world come and go."

All quotes from Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi and Who am I?

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

If perfect means sickness and death to you, then perhaps we simply have different definitions of the word. For me, it means indestructible, untouchable, eternal.

So, if someone punches you in the face in your dream tonight, does that confirm the reality of your dream body for you? From my perspective, it only confirms the mind's commitment to projecting. Pain is the most powerful weapon the mind uses to limit itself as a body.

Yes, the brain is merely a device that the mind uses to filter reality into a small, physical perspective. The brain is only matter in that sense, but matter cannot think; a kidney has no experience.

I can also quote Ramana:

"Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) from within itself and again withdraws it into itself, so the mind projects the world from within itself and again withdraws it into itself."

"The world is not external. Because you identify yourself with the body, you see the world as external. The world is but a form of the mind."

"There is no world apart from the mind. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the wakeful and dream states, there are thoughts, and there is a world also."

"The world is like a cinema film. The pictures are projected on the screen. The pictures come and go, but the screen remains. Similarly, the Self is the screen on which the pictures of the world come and go."

All quotes from Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi and Who am I?

So, he is saying mind is a dream, why are you insist? Lol

You guys read, but mind understands the way to it want to understands 😂 

[James123]

@Grateful Dead this is exactly what I say.

mind, body, existence, is all exist now, yet temporary, dream.

What You are is always. 

[James123]

14 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

If perfect means sickness and death to you, then perhaps we simply have different definitions of the word. For me, it means indestructible, untouchable, eternal.

So, if someone punches you in the face in your dream tonight, does that confirm the reality of your dream body for you? From my perspective, it only confirms the mind's commitment to projecting. Pain is the most powerful weapon the mind uses to limit itself as a body.

Yes, the brain is merely a device that the mind uses to filter reality into a small, physical perspective. The brain is only matter in that sense, but matter cannot think; a kidney has no experience.

I can also quote Ramana:

"Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) from within itself and again withdraws it into itself, so the mind projects the world from within itself and again withdraws it into itself."

"The world is not external. Because you identify yourself with the body, you see the world as external. The world is but a form of the mind."

"There is no world apart from the mind. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the wakeful and dream states, there are thoughts, and there is a world also."

"The world is like a cinema film. The pictures are projected on the screen. The pictures come and go, but the screen remains. Similarly, the Self is the screen on which the pictures of the world come and go."

All quotes from Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi and Who am I?

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  14 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

So you believe that when the body-mind dies, the game simply comes to an end? And then what?

 

No, I neither believe nor don't believe in anything. Beliefs, knowledges, experiences, feelings, thinking are function of the body. İf you say this is a belief, actually not. I move my hand and drink water. Same as that, I do not evaluate, imagine or assumption meaning of words, they are just what they are, that's all.

 

Even reincarnation is a belief that's created via mind. When one deeply looks, it is inevitable not see nothing has never happened, only attachment to thoughts, that's all. Of course stimulation of body constant therefore, it is very hard to be always, yet in meditation, in bus, sleeping, when situation is not be solved via thinking or feeling (if the body stimulation is not constant) there is no life nor time for me. 

Do you see similarity? 😂 😂 😂 

[Grateful Dead]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

So, he is saying mind is a dream, why are you insist? Lol

"Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) from within itself and again withdraws it into itself, so the mind projects the world from within itself and again withdraws it into itself."

Isn't he saying here that the mind projects the dream? Or how do you interpret that?

[James123]

50 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

"Just as the spider emits the thread (of the web) from within itself and again withdraws it into itself, so the mind projects the world from within itself and again withdraws it into itself."

Isn't he saying here that the mind projects the dream? Or how do you interpret that?

Mind does what it is supposed to. It projects the life just fucking enjoy, life is not to be problem to solve, it is beauty to live.

1 hour ago, Grateful Dead said:

There is no world apart from the mind. In deep sleep there are no thoughts, and there is no world. In the wakeful and dream states, there are thoughts, and there is a world also."

"The world is like a cinema film. The pictures are projected on the screen. The pictures come and go, but the screen remains. Similarly, the Self is the screen on which the pictures of the world come and go."

Read here, final, mind comes and goes as world. don't focus on mind. Dont waste a life.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Grateful Dead said:

Who am I?

Remove the superfluous “ I “ will reveal the true real answer. 

No “ I “ is ever found in experience. When the “I” is removed from the question, the description of what is really experienced is true.