The Ocean of Being / Enlightenment in daily life

[James123]

1 minute ago, Grateful Dead said:

When you move your hand to drink water, why do think you do that?   

It's because you believe that you are a body that requires water to survive. If you truly believed in nothing, then there would be no reason to sustain the body or to claim it as your own.

No. Body is it's own, doesn't need you. Perfectly design. you are just a worry and anxiety for it. When One's let go completely, it's inevatibly not to see (word of seeing wrong, can put any words, actually only Be)

Then you realize that (even word of realization is wrong, I don't know how to explain, no word for it, actually only Be) there was never a you in it.

[Joseph Maynor]

35 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Apophatic Creation (The Unknown): Creation is understood as the manifestation of divine energy. Because the ultimate reality (the Absolute or Brahman) is boundless and uncreated, it cannot be fully conceptualized by the human mind. Walking the razor's edge means embracing the unknown—the delicate, silent space beyond ego, words, and thoughts.

Dualities of the Material World: Creation is built on dualities (good vs. evil, pleasure vs. pain, material vs. spiritual). The razor's edge represents the perfect "middle way" where you exist in the material world without being consumed by it. 

Maybe the Absolute is the Creator.  I notice you use Creation, which is a passive version.

[Mellowmarsh]

19 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

When you move your hand to drink water, why do think you do that?   

It's because you believe that you are a body that requires water to survive.

Belief is a synthetic artificial chemical creation. An idea without an idea of what it is, except as a belief. 

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Maybe the Absolute is the Creator.  I notice you use Creation, which is a passive version.

Creation is a man made artificial synthetic phenomenon that apparently is sourced within a human brain as an idea.

And yet when you look for the idea,  all you’re likely to find is a lumpy slimy mass of grey matter.

[Joseph Maynor]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Creation is a man made artificial synthetic phenomenon that apparently is sourced within a human brain as an idea.

And yet when you look for the idea,  all you’re likely to find is a lumpy slimy mass of grey matter.

This is really the point I'm making which goes against this perspective.  

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is really the point I'm making which goes against this perspective.  

Okay. 

[Joseph Maynor]

8 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Okay. 

Good.  We can agree to disagree.  I love this.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Good.  We can agree to disagree.  I love this.

I’ve actually no idea what you’re talking about, and that’s nothing unusual for me tbh. 

[Joseph Maynor]

22 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’ve actually no idea what you’re talking about, and that’s nothing unusual for me tbh. 

You're free to disagree.  That's the feature not the bug.  

[Grateful Dead]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

No. Body is it's own, doesn't need you. Perfectly design. you are just a worry and anxiety for it. When One's let go completely, it's inevatibly not to see (word of seeing wrong, can put any words, actually only Be)

Then you realize that (even word of realization is wrong, I don't know how to explain, no word for it, actually only Be) there was never a you in it.

If the body is perfectly designed, why does it age, get sick, and die?

A body without a mind is dead.

I agree with the point that there was never a "you" in your body. But not because the body is a perfect machine that doesn't need you, but because the body is a projection of your mind.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You're free to disagree.  That's the feature not the bug.  

I don’t understand bug talk, sorry. 
 

I personally find your personal language method of communication to be very confusing. 🫤 

[Joseph Maynor]

21 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I don’t understand bug talk, sorry. 
 

I personally find your personal language method of communication to be very confusing. 🫤 

Okay.  No harm no foul.  Carry on with what you do.  

[Joseph Maynor]

26 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

If the body is perfectly designed, why does it age, get sick, and die?

A body without a mind is dead.

I agree with the point that there was never a "you" in your body. But not because the body is a perfect machine that doesn't need you, but because the body is a projection of your mind.

This is what is being missed.  Great point.  

[James123]

49 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

If the body is perfectly designed, why does it age, get sick, and die?

A body without a mind is dead.

I mean body as body and mind / entire body.

It is perfect it is the reason of experiencing entire existence, which is love itself.

Body can be sick, feel good etc... Being sick or healthy is your assumption as good and bad, or perfect or not.

49 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

I agree with the point that there was never a "you" in your body. But not because the body is a perfect machine that doesn't need you, but because the body is a projection of your mind.

Put a stick in your ass, and see the reaction of the mind / oh sorry body is mind projection. Literally put a stick and see the projection.

Moreover, actually mind is an imagination. Like mind or like consciousness. Brain is something like jelly, like kidney, or colon. 

So, there is mind as brain, and body. Not the mind that you imagine. 

Edited 13 hours ago by James123

[James123]

@Grateful Dead

This should be enough for this talk.

[Mellowmarsh]

8 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Okay.  No harm no foul.  Carry on with what you do.  

How much of a you is truly needed in everything you do this day? 

The body runs itself, there’s no you running it. 

[Joseph Maynor]

12 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

How much of a you is truly needed in everything you do this day? 

The body runs itself, there’s no you running it. 

Are you saying there is no you or are you saying there is no separate self?  

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Joseph Maynor said:

Are you saying there is no you or are you saying there is no separate self?  

I’m saying there’s no you doing. A you doing implies separation. A “you” is a Thought.

 

Thoughts are referring to fixed objects that pre-exist in a world outside language. But those thought things can simply not be found. Thought things appear to be superior and are a powerful conceptual belief in an objective perspective.
 

This is not about giving it up. It is about realising that thought things are simply concepts. But an objective perspective is not experience. It is not real.

[Joseph Maynor]

10 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I’m saying there’s no you doing. A you doing implies separation. A “you” is a Thought.

 

Thoughts are referring to fixed objects that pre-exist in a world outside language. But those thought things can simply not be found. Thought things appear to be superior and are a powerful conceptual belief in an objective perspective.
 

This is not about giving it up. It is about realising that thought things are simply concepts. But an objective perspective is not experience. It is not real.

So how does this benefit your life?

[Mellowmarsh]

29 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

So how does this benefit your life?

It killed me off.

So that’s a good thing because dead people no longer question anything. Or think about anything, anymore.