Enlightenment in two steps

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Exactly!

 

All form, both gross as in a tree, and subtle as in thought, depend upon innumerable conditions and are not the fixed entities that they appear to be. Nothing actually remains the same for an instant. What is perceived to be an unchanging object is on the contrary, an instantaneous, indivisible movement of disintegration and formation, even though this transience is imperceptible. It is in this sense that what is called death is also life, as the ongoing transformation of all phenomena. There’s no fixed observer, so yes, even the observer vanishes.

Everything that exists is constant change, relationships between different states creating stable patterns that appear and disappear. Buddhists say this demonstrates that reality is empty at its core, since nothing exists in itself; everything is change.

For Buddhists, the foundation of reality is sunyata, emptiness, and nirvana is extinguishing yourself. Extinguishing your candle, as they say. I believe they are completely wrong because they haven't grasped the essential quality of what they call emptiness.

Emptiness is absolutely full, full of potential. The quality of the unlimited (better that word than emptiness) is that it emanates absolute potentiality. It is the absence of obstacles for the possible to be.

The unlimited is absolute life, and the quality of reality is expansion, vitality, creation. What appears is simply possible coherence, but its momentum is total, since nothing holds it back. Nirvana is not extinguishing your candle; it is lighting it and letting it shine in all its potential.

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thenwhen you achieve a kind of living death, do you act hysterically

Because hysteria is just an integral part of living the burn that is life without fear, and notice how endurable the burn is. 
What doesn’t kill ya makes you stronger. Do what you love and let it kill you. 

[James123]

13 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Burning? Another attempt to be edgy. 

Enlightenment is walking under the sunshine while drinking best beer in the world brother. (For you).

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then when you achieve a kind of living death, do you act hysterically, needing to be the one who's enlightened but unable to hold a coherent conversation? It sounds like an incomplete death.

Now seriously, read what I've written and refute a specific point without screaming like a hysterical medieval inquisitor at a heretic, and let's see if you've understood what I've said or if you're just playing your usual power games.

I didn't achieve, I died. I can have an conversation without any problem. But you are the even saying that Krishnamurti is a corrupt person. İt seems like your understanding have a problem, not the conversation.

Did you find yourself in the body?

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nirvana is not extinguishing your candle; it is lighting it and letting it shine in all its potential.

 

A flame is dependent upon and inseparable from countless conditions such as fuel, oxygen, thermal friction and so forth. Every flame continuously changes because fire depends upon conditions with no existence of its own. Since fire is not self-maintained it is impermanent.

When conditions for fire are no longer present, we say the fire died. Yes, this is understandable, but it is important to see that each instant, the fire is a different fire, not the same fire. Furthermore, since an appearing fire depends upon conditions that are not considered to be fire, fire lacks its own self nature. After all, fire does not burn itself. So fire does not and cannot die as an entity that ever existed in and of itself.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

A flame is dependent upon and inseparable from countless conditions such as fuel, oxygen, thermal friction and so forth. Every flame continuously changes because fire depends upon conditions with no existence of its own. Since fire is not self-maintained it is impermanent.

When conditions for fire are no longer present, we say the fire died. Yes, this is understandable, but it is important to see that each instant, the fire is a different fire, not the same fire. Furthermore, since an appearing fire depends upon conditions that are not considered to be fire, fire lacks its own self nature. After all, fire does not burn itself. So fire does not and cannot die as an entity that ever existed in and of itself.

The fire and anything else are expression of the unlimited power of what has not límits. The point is not defining the fire or anything but understand its nature and see it. 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

Enlightenment is walking under the sunshine while drinking best beer in the world brother. (For you).

I didn't achieve, I died. I can have an conversation without any problem. But you are the even saying that Krishnamurti is a corrupt person. İt seems like your understanding have a problem, not the conversation.

Did you find yourself in the body?

Krishnamurti was a liar. U.g Krishnamurti, who was true said that jiddu was a scammer. Many others said that, because is obvious

What kind of question is where I'm in the body? It's meaningless. What I am as a human is complex process that manifests in a cloud of procces that are happening now that we call mind. In that procces the self is created. Where is it is irrelevant , it is, that's enough. The point is the ultimate nature of it, that's the ultimate nature of everything 

[James123]

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What kind of question is where I'm in the body? It's meaningless. What I am as a human is complex process that manifests in a cloud of procces that are happening now that we call mind. In that procces the self is created. Where is it is irrelevant , it is, that's enough. The point is the ultimate nature of it, that's the ultimate nature of everything 

Even science can not prove where is the self in brain.

43 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Krishnamurti was a liar. U.g Krishnamurti, who was true said that jiddu was a scammer. Many others said that, because is obvious

Your perspective is problem. You are blaming everyone, except yourself, that's how the mind works. Did you have some trauma about trust? 

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Enlightenment is walking under the sunshine while drinking best beer in the world brother. (For you).

I didn't achieve, I died. I can have an conversation without any problem. But you are the even saying that Krishnamurti is a corrupt person. İt seems like your understanding have a problem, not the conversation.

Did you find yourself in the body?

We playing this game? Let's play...

You died? Who 

[Mellowmarsh]

10 minutes ago, Dodo said:

We playing this game? Let's play...

You died? Who 

I’ll play too…the false attachment to “my” self died. That’s not running away from or bypassing anything, it’s living from real truth ..

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

The point is not defining the fire or anything but understand its nature and see it. 

The point is to Surrender control. To let go of the illusion of control. The self-concept has no power to control anything. 
Let go of enlightenment and nirvana too. It’s all mental stuff.