Illusion of Self/Death

[No1Here2c]

Ego creates fear out of survival. Fear is the result of the existence of ego in a survival framework. Ego is the very survival framework. Fear is self-contructed by survival, to maintain survival.

The very existence of ego, that could be called 'survival self', is what spawns in & creates the very thing we call death itself. Death is the dissolution of the self identity, as priority over preservation of the physical form. Both, do go in conjunction with one another. Although ego is defending on several layers, with an order of operational priority. When it comes to superior position of control, protection of self identity often does win over against physical protection of the body. 

Briefly: Ego, or self identity, is the full compilation of all navigational structures held within perspectival conscious awareness. Ego is the very holding of these survival tools. Self identity is the pinnacle of this compilation. You, as human, are self identity. There is no distance. You are the very thing we speak of.

Death could not exist within conscious awareness without an 'overlay' of a limited, self identity. Self is given, via itself, the directive: 'must be continued under all costs & conditions'.

Ego, the self image, is so strong that it will do anything to continue its survival, including overriding the physical body's need to. This survival runs deeper in root than mere physical form. What it really is, is survival of the self image. The self image is what 'you' as a self, really are.

This is hard to understand without an experiential reference point for a conscious state unidentified from self image.

Consciousness, holds within it all form. Consciousness, under influence of ego, is in mode of identification with form. In identification the distance between the form, and the awareness itself is made blind to. Awareness under ego influence is unaware of its own true disidentified, non-localized nature. Identification is consciousness without capacity for distancing.

Form extends beyond physicality. A thought, is a form. An image of the mind, is a form. These mental images can feel solid. Cognitive constructions can feel real, like a brick wall. This is precisely as the self image form appears. As undoubtable as brick.

It certainly does benefit to have a reference point of conscious awareness beyond identification mode in order to be able properly to see this. Though there may be within the intuition that this is accurate. Worth following.

Upon awareness's recognition of its unidentified, immaterial nature, self identity may be 'seen through' as illusory. Self is as mirage which takes on hard unbreakable quality, until it is 'broken through'.

Death too, as a critical aspect of ego self, is also able to be seen through in exactly the same manner. With breaking through of self identity often comes the breaking through of the illusory barrier of death. This 'death barrier', albeit illusory, also is maintained in form by this brick wall like quality. Death sustains the self, self sustains death. Again, until broken through, where consciousness develops an understanding of it's true, 'actual' nature and functioning, it will likely remain in identification mode.

Consciousness can understand itself to be immortal. This does not mean you, as a personal identity will stick around Forever. Maybe, maybe not, but consciousness itself most definitely will, in it's disidentified form.

Contemplate on this,

Death sustains the self, self sustains death. 

Edited 6 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Breakingthewall]

Another, simpler version: what we call life is a self-preserving and limited structure of the external world that creates its own internal legal framework without contradicting the laws of the universe.

This self-preservation is evolutionary; only that which tends toward self-preservation endures. All life forms are based on this tendency. The ego is a system based on this tendency and on the evolutionary and reproductive drive.

The self-image is not false. It is real that there is a body and that it can be destroyed. The ego can be transcended in the sense that the conscious individual becomes aware of their total nature, but without denying their limited nature as a transient form.

Why to make mess with consciousness and illusions? That's spirituality don't free anyone, put them inside or a mental frame of confusion believing that they are "pure consciousness" , and as people want to believe that they can't die, they will accept anything.

[No1Here2c]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

self preserving & limited structure

legal framework without contradicting the laws of the universe.

The self-image is not false.

it can be destroyed.

The ego can be transcended

Consciousness is not bound by any self preservation or limited structure. Consciousness is not restricted by lawful framework or any 'cosmic rules'. By laying down these words we are actively creating structures, and yet we are not bound to them.

Self image is false, as is proven by fact of its possible destruction. Truth is indestructible.

What remains upon transcendence of ego?

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Self image is false, as is proven by fact of its possible destruction. Truth is indestructible.

You also could destroy your eyes and get blind and they are not false. 

Btw, you never destroy your self image, you transcend it. Or in some cases you could do spiritual bypassing and change your self image for another where you are "pure consciousness". Some people gets happy with this, in some extent. 

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

What remains upon transcendence of ego?

You already know the answer so why are you asking?

Have you forgotten again?

[No1Here2c]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

You also could destroy your eyes and get blind and they are not false. 

you never destroy your self image, you transcend

The destruction of your eyes, & more importantly – accompanying blindness – is proof that this was a false layer of 'reality' within consciousness itself.

Never say never as definitive claim. While you can 'transcend' self image, it can also certainly be destroyed. What do you think happens upon your 'final death'?

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

What do you think happens upon your 'final death'?

You're back in the womb. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

The destruction of your eyes, & more importantly – accompanying blindness – is proof that this was a false layer of 'reality' within consciousness itself.

Never say never as definitive claim. While you can 'transcend' self image, it can also certainly be destroyed. What do you think happens upon your 'final death'?

8 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

 

Why do you think that anything that can be destroyed is false? That's just a spiritual idea, to emphasize the idea that you are "pure consciousness" that can't be destroyed. It's totally meaningless, just confusing ideas to make people feel that there is a mystery that some choosen people can see. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Willy Phallicus said:

You're back in the womb. 

That you realize that you are god, who is bored in eternity and dreamed the human for love? Are you absolutely sure of that right? Because a couple of times you had that intuition. That's good. 

[No1Here2c]

2 hours ago, No1Here2c said:

Consciousness, absolute clarity, such that anything can be placed within its lense and not be obscured or obstructed in any manner.

Truth is the the only non-variable. Truth does not change. Ever.

Truth is the container of all form.

Form is always in flux, Truth cannot ever be.

If Truth could suddenly change, how Truthful was it to begin with?

Truth is Consciousness. The container of all constraints.

Constraints, that includes this right here. Understanding itself, is a constrain. A constraint cannot ever get grip upon the unconstrainable. If you are attempting to utilize understanding to grasp Truth, you will fail.

Truth is only Truth, limited form cannot capture it.

Truth is unconstrainable. Truth is complete lack of constraint.

'Pure consciousness' is Truth.

Edited 5 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Willy Phallicus]

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That you realize that you are god, who is bored in eternity and dreamed the human for love? Are you absolutely sure of that right? Because a couple of times you had that intuition. That's good. 

Only a fucking retard would think God can't pull off solipsism when that's the entirety of your goddamn existence.

 

[No1Here2c]

If you are approaching Truth from a perspective of self identity– limited form, you will fail. 

Limited form cannot grasp the unlimited.

Finite cannot understand Infinity.

[No1Here2c]

Truth is as the equal sign in an equation.

There is no equation without the equal sign.

You, & your entire world as you know it, is the content of the equation.

All of that, can be altered, rearranged, shifted, but the equal sign must remain steady.

Edited 5 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

Finite cannot understand Infinity.

That's intentional.  So the finite can figure out to reach there's an infinity to reach.  Its called unconditional love.

Yall should try it sometime.

[Hojo]

40 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

You already know the answer so why are you asking?

Have you forgotten again?

He asks questions to answer them.

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, Hojo said:

He asks questions to answer them.

Until the lesson of hot stove = burned hand, let school continue.

We got all the time in the world.  I mean that.

[No1Here2c]

Why not ask questions simply for the sake?

[Willy Phallicus]

Gods got nothing better to do man.  Ask away.

Ill go first.  Can someone access the akashic records and tell me what happened to Amelia Earhart?  Its something Ive always been curious about.

[No1Here2c]

How does form transfix consciousness in fascination?

[Willy Phallicus]

Just now, No1Here2c said:

How does form transfix consciousness in fascination?

Quite easily actually.  You conveniently forget to not be fascinated by it so you can be fascinated by it.

Thats what God wants so thats what God produces.  Its one of the many perks of being God.