Nothing important is happening

[VeganAwake]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You want me to put it into words?

Where is it then?

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You want me to put it into words?

Yes please, please show what was seen. 
 

 

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

@Breakingthewall

Most are deathly afraid of looking within closely.

They subconsciously already know it's emptiness appearing as a knower.

"I" doesn't want to see clearly the empty reflection.

The only thing that should be feared is fear itself!

 

I told you hundred times, but let's one more. 

If there is "emptiness" appearing as a knower, there is a knower. "Emptiness" is just a word that sounds espíritual for neo advaita, but you can't realize that you are empty because the fact of realizing is something. In fact it's everything, is being knowing that is, aka self. 

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If there is "emptiness" appearing as a knower, there is a knower.

If there is ‘emptiness’ appearing as a knower. This knower would be empty knowing. 
 

Nothing actually appears. That which appears to appear, never appeared. 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

If there is ‘emptiness’ appearing as a knower. This knower would be empty knowing. 
 

Nothing actually appears. That which appears to appear, never appeared. 

Emptiness doesn't exist, its just an idea. It's impossible because reality is. Emptiness is absence of being, and it isn't. 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Emptiness doesn't exist, it’s just an idea. It's impossible because reality is. Emptiness is absence of being, and it isn't. 

Reality is an idea. 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Reality is an idea. 

An idea is the reality 

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

An idea is the reality 

Is the idea physical?

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

53 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Is the idea physical?

 

 

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

What means physical for you?

[Mellowmarsh]

49 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What means physical for you?

I mean is an idea something tangible that can be seen, or touched like a solid object?

[Breakingthewall]

43 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

I mean is an idea something tangible that can be seen, or touched like a solid object?

Imo you should delve deeper into what those concepts imply, if you are truly interested in the topic.

"Physical" means that it's within the laws of physics, which includes quantum physics, the fields of reality, etc. So, what does "tangible" mean? Imagine reality at a fundamental level: interactions between fields creating fundamental particles, which aren't "something" but rather local excitations of the fabric of reality, grouping into increasingly complex patterns.

A mind is a stable, hypercomplex pattern that generates what we call experience, a model of the interaction between a process called organism and what is not that process. So, "touching" would be a concrete, local pattern in that process we call mind or consciousness. It's no different from anything else; they are relative forms that arise. Just relationship between states that happens due the unlimited is unlimited.

[VeganAwake]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imo you should delve deeper into what those concepts imply, if you are truly interested in the topic.

"Physical" means that it's within the laws of physics, which includes quantum physics, the fields of reality, etc. So, what does "tangible" mean? Imagine reality at a fundamental level: interactions between fields creating fundamental particles, which aren't "something" but rather local excitations of the fabric of reality, grouping into increasingly complex patterns.

A mind is a stable, hypercomplex pattern that generates what we call experience, a model of the interaction between a process called organism and what is not that process. So, "touching" would be a concrete, local pattern in that process we call mind or consciousness. It's no different from anything else; they are relative forms that arise. Just relationship between states that happens due the unlimited is unlimited.

I'm pretty certain what she means is,  "could this entire belief system being described, simply be a concocted story stemming from the spirituality conditioned imagination of the body/mind organism of Breakingthewall". 

[VeganAwake]

@Breakingthewall Almost like that conditioned imagination is running rampant and there's nobody available to stop the identification with it!

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

@Breakingthewall Almost like that conditioned imagination is running rampant and there's nobody available to stop the identification with it!

For you everything is simple, you watched some videos where they say that everything is an illusion, then you are enlightened and it's impossible for you contemplate anything. Lucky you. Well, lucky in your "illusion"

[Mellowmarsh]

28 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Imo you should delve deeper into what those concepts imply

That’s what I’m always trying to delve deeper into. I understand that a concept is known. But I’ve no idea what is knowing a concept without making that knowing another concept known.

Where is the actual source of knowing concepts that is not just another concept. The only answer is to say I don’t know because I’m already the knowing that cannot be known. 
 

That bundle of words I’ve just spouted makes sense of what is ultimately senseless, imo.

 

Do you see the dilemma?
 

 

 

[JoshB]

From the absolute pov the only thing going on here is importance 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Where is the actual source of knowing concepts that is not just another concept. The only answer is to say I don’t know because I’m already the knowing that cannot be known. 
 

It's very simple. The fact of consciousness implies the fact of being knowing that is. That is the self. What or who is knowing that is? The fact of being. Why? Because it's possible. 

Why being is? Because it's possible. Why it's possible? Because there are not limits and it's inevitable.

Then, what are you? Unlimited being knowing that is. 

This is the conceptual frame, then break all your barriers and open yourself to yourself, and you will see.

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For you everything is simple, you watched some videos where they say that everything is an illusion, then you are enlightened and it's impossible for you contemplate anything. Lucky you. Well, lucky in your "illusion"

Where did you get all your everything you know from then? Would you like to share the origin from where you’ve got all of your everything you know with the forum readers?

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Where did you get all your everything you know from then? Would you like to share the origin from where you’ve got all of your everything you know with the forum readers?

11 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

 

Just observation, meditation, openess to the unlimited, then making a logical frame removing what is impossible and letting the inevitable remains. I never took a single idea from anyone just because all of them have mistakes in their basis. The only mystic that seems not wrong could be Ramakrishna, and you won't get any idea from him, just inspiration 

Edited 37 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

Reality is complex in the sense that it has had an unfathomable amount of time to become what it is today.

Like an anteater didn't grow an elongated snout and tongue overnight or the honey badger didn't start having immunity to certain snake venom in a few months.......

It's complexity is that it's had time on its side sorta speak!!!