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[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

there is nobody receiving the experience, nobody who is aware or the fact of existing.

The fact of being aware of existing is what we call "you" or self. 

 

We?  You got a twin brother Smashingthefence or Kickingtherock? 😉

I get what you mean though.

But then, why even say "being aware" "you" "self" ?

Awareness implies a someone or something "being aware".

Same with experience, experience implies "an experiencer".

It was clearly recognized that this identification, (the aware experiencer) wasn't actually real and/or there at all........it was assumed to be there, but upon close inspection, it ultimately lacked in reality and had never been from the start. It just never was. It had only seemed to be. (thats why referred to as self illusion)

Anyways, that sense of awareness/experience, was later realized to just be the 5 bodily senses: sight, sound, smell, taste, feel.......coupled with the spiritually conditioned imagination..........yahtzee, feels like a someone/something is aware and observing.

Edited 12 hours ago by VeganAwake

[Mellowmarsh]

@VeganAwake Clarity post. 👆

 

Clarity reigns supreme. Kind of like the IT in ITS raining.

 

Is the IT in the ITS or is the ITS in the IT? There’s no ITS in IT - but there’s always IT in ITS

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

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7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

then, why even say "being aware" "you" "self" ?

Awareness implies a someone or something "being aware".

Same with experience, experience implies "an experiencer".

23 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

 

It's quite obvious; let's see if you can continue denying it. Processes occur in the universe, some of them incredibly complex, creating a model of reality, like an interface between the external and the internal, and we call this the conscious mind.

The fact of being conscious implies a conscious subject. Who is this subject? The process that is occurring. It knows it exists, that it is a process, and that if its head is cut off with a samurai sword, the process ends. Where's the mystery?

Is it, in your opinion, an illusion that you exist as an interconnected process we call human? The process is the very fact of being conscious and the self, since the fact of being conscious always, absolutely always, implies a self. There is no consciousness without a self, even if it's completely basic, like that of a newborn sardine.

The sardine knows absolutely nothing except that it is, and that is the self. It knows it is because it has a brain that processes information and creates a predictive model with memory, even if it's a goldfish's memory. This implies a self. Who is the self? The process that we call sardine. Is it complicated? If the process ends, the self ends, but any other conscious experience would be a self. 

Then we could say: the reality has self. Because it's conscious of itself through the sardines, that knows that they are

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

was assumed to be there, but upon close inspection, it ultimately lacked in reality and had never been from the start. It just never was. It had only seemed to be. (thats why referred to as self illusion)

And how did you do this introspection? You started to think: where is the self? Oh, it's nowhere! Then there is no self! Well, maybe some people like scientist and those dumbs could think that your investigation was, let's say, not so profound as if could be. 

Maybe you need that conclusion because you listened it in some videos of non duality and you felt that this would be freedom? Just think about it

[VeganAwake]

@Breakingthewall Its not important. 

In fact, I want "you" to keep calling everything "self", it's fun!

I hope to never again read a single paragraph without "you" describing it as the self, capissh!

You could even make a catchy little jingle. 🎶 🎵 

 "I am you & you are me, but if you don't agree, I will kick you in the knee. You have to see that everything is we, you have to feel the process is real, you have to know that I am the GOAT!!! GOOOOO SELF!!!

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, VeganAwake said:

@Breakingthewall Its not important. 

In fact, I want "you" to keep calling everything "self", it's fun!

I hope to never again read a single paragraph without "you" describing it as the self, capissh!

You could even make a catchy little jingle. 🎶 🎵 

 "I am you & you are me, but if you don't agree, I will kick you in the knee. You have to see that everything is we, you have to feel the process is real, you have to know that I am the GOAT!!! GOOOOO SELF!!!

So, as you can't maintain a serious conversation about the topic you use irony, and your main argument is: I realized that the self is illusion. Well, some realized that they are Jesus or Napoleon. How? They just realized. 

[Mellowmarsh]

14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, some realized that they are Jesus or Napoleon. How? They just realized. 

In reality, the How is never questioned.

When the How is questioned ( apparently ) the answer is known as an unrealised realisation. 

[VeganAwake]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

So, as you can't maintain a serious conversation about the topic you use irony, and your main argument is: I realized that the self is illusion. Well, some realized that they are Jesus or Napoleon. How? They just realized. 

I doesn't realize that the self isn't real. It just becomes obvious if it's looked at closely enough. That which attempts to claim ownership of this introspection, is nothing more than a habitual thought process. An assumed self reaffirming/circular logic illusion ♻️ 

I have been plenty serious over the last few years. If that isn't obvious, what can be done?

It's a hell of a stubborn illusion 🤷‍♂️

[Breakingthewall]

29 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

That which attempts to claim ownership of this introspection, is nothing more than a habitual thought process.

55 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

@Breakingthewall

Nobody claims to be the ownership of the introspection, the introspection is the self in the form of introspection. The "habitual thought process" means a unbelievable net of lógical interactions that are happening in the reality, and it's result is the knowledge of being or consciousness . That awareness of being is the self itself. If you want to be selfless, just sleep or die. 

The problem here is that what you call self is just the conceptual idea of a person, that's very basic. If you had meditated some years you would see that you could totally empty the mind and still there is knowledge of being, that is, consciousness. That is the self, and it's absolutely real being conscious. Disappear when you are unconscious. But other self could appear, in fact infinite of them. All are the same, the reality knowing that is. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, VeganAwake said:

I doesn't realize that the self isn't real. It just becomes obvious if it's looked at closely enough. That which attempts to claim ownership of this introspection, is nothing more than a habitual thought process. An assumed self reaffirming/circular logic illusion ♻️ 

I have been plenty serious over the last few years. If that isn't obvious, what can be done?

It's a hell of a stubborn illusion 🤷‍♂️

What if the ‘self’ and the ‘no self’ are like each the opposite ends of a rope that are pulling on the rope simultaneously, which is what causes the tension that holds it all in place.
And what you are is that ‘place holding’ 🤔Hold that thought.

Edited 1 hour ago by Mellowmarsh