The obstacle for real meditation

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

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Made you look!

 

That’s so cool. 😎 👌 

 

Nice one. 

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

The only alternative must remain as hidden. It cannot be displayed.

I understand. 💯

 

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Thank God for someone who does. ;}

LoL

Ultimately, the only person who can tell you what’s right for you, is you, and your own conversation with your own version of source consciousness. Everyone can only tell you what’s right for them, and it’s up to you if you agree or not. Everyone lives in a different dimension and reality. 🙂

 

 

Edited 52 minutes ago by Mellowmarsh

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Everyone lives in a different dimension and reality.

We are all stuck at the far end of our cardboard tube!

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

Talking to oneself the world is.

Start a new thread, this is to talk about meditation and spirituality. 

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

We are all stuck at the far end of our cardboard tube!

LoL 😂 

[No1Here2c]

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

Talking to oneself the world is.

This is the core of Spirituality.

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

this is to talk about meditation and spirituality. 

Why does the person who thinks he is limited meditate, for what reason?

[No1Here2c]

7 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Why does the person who thinks he is limited meditate, for what reason?

Observation to Observe Observation?

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Why does the person who thinks he is limited meditate, for what reason?

Because they perceive that life, reality, can't be this limited frame. Your intuition tells you that you are prisoner, but you don't know exactly how . Then you start reading spirituality, but it's contradictory, narcissistic and very bad explained. Most of authors are seducers, who's successful as a "guru" is who seduces the seekers.

Then you think: if I stop my thoughts I will be free, and you start meditation as a violent effort to control your mind. A very stressful and annoying exercise.

But if you are tenacious, little by little you start to perceive the processes that are happening in you, the process that you are, the depth of your movement, then it becomes a passion, you spend hours and hours in it, doing all the psychedelics that exist again and again, breaking your mind in all it's possible dimensions, until you start to know yourself 

Then you perceive that if you break the last frontier you will find the absolute 

Edited 36 minutes ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, No1Here2c said:

Observation to Observe Observation?

Why would a limited mental state choose to observe observation?

[No1Here2c]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Why would a limited mental state choose to observe observation?

For the sake of Understanding?

[No1Here2c]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

if you break the last frontier you will find the absolute 

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Because they perceive that life, reality, can't be this limited frame. Your intuition tells you that you are prisoner, but you don't know exactly how . Then you start reading spirituality, but it's contradictory, narcissistic and very bad explained. Most of authors are seducers, who's successful as a "guru" is who seduces the seekers. Then you think: if I stop my thoughts I will be free, and you start meditation as a violent effort to control your mind. A very stressful and annoying exercise. But if you are tenacious, little by little you start to perceive the processes that are happening in you, the depth of your movement, then it becomes a passion, you spend hours and hours in it, doing all the psychedelics that exist again and again, breaking your mind in all it's possible dimensions, until you start to know yourself 

Okay, thanks for that summary. 

Did the meditator forget who it is, and so desired to know itself using meditation as the starting point at which real knowing reveals itself ?

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

For the sake of Understanding?

Understanding what, exactly?

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Anyone knows that metaphor, maybe you think it's very brilliant. Better explain the process 

[caspex]

I love it. What an insight. I tried this and can see how I am constantly trying to define my walls so I can keep them erect. Protecting myself from change. Survival at it's finest.

It's so scary to drop those walls but it's so freeing. The change is rapid but the whole point is not to care who you become.
We have been beaten so senseless by this world into erecting these walls that we forget we put them in the first place.

This is why my ego keeps coming back after ego deaths.

 

 

Each action we do, each word we speak, it's all so we can keep defining ourselves.

Edited 23 minutes ago by caspex

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Did the meditator forget who it is, and so desired to know itself using meditation as the starting point at which real knowing reveals itself ?

It would seem the observer(the meditator) may lose itself amidst the chaos of form & identification.

When the observer stops & simply observes, the forms are recognized as limited, passing occurrences within observation itself. identification can be seen through as an aspect of limitation.

Observer through limited mind wishes to Understand Observation.

[No1Here2c]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Anyone knows that metaphor, maybe you think it's very brilliant. Better explain the process 

The process is in the unfoldment.

[No1Here2c]

2 minutes ago, caspex said:

This is why my ego keeps coming back after ego deaths.

Ego is like a Trick Candle!