Why did God make life so hard for humans?

[Miguel1]

Think about an ant. How much it works, fights and suffers its whole life.. just for you to step on it.

Do you care? Does it even register in your mind?

So why should a higher intelligent being care about your suffering?

[LordFall]

54 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Think about an ant. How much it works, fights and suffers its whole life.. just for you to step on it.

Do you care? Does it even register in your mind?

So why should a higher intelligent being care about your suffering?

I don't randomly step on ants or fuck up their colonies. I don't know much about them apart from the fact that they build stuff and walk around. In a way it's an irrelevant point since from God perspective you should care about both's suffering. 

Seems like life is a wildly irresponsible creation. The gnostics believed in the Demiurge Yaldaboth that created material reality to punish humans and rejoice in their suffering. I don't believe in that view of reality but sure feels like it at times.

God is not a leader. It's at best a mad scientist enjoying human suffering like a fucking sadomasochist. Really not impressed. 

[zurew]

If you think God has an ability to stop certain things from happening and or to create this world in a different way then the indifference principle is probably one of the most dogshit response to the POE.

Also curious how you guys reconcile spiral dynamics and spiritual development (however you want to track that) with  the highest development being "be indifferent to the suffering of all sentient beings".

[LordFall]

49 minutes ago, zurew said:

If you think God has an ability to stop certain things from happening and or to create this world in a different way then the indifference principle is probably one of the most dogshit response to the POE.

Also curious how you guys reconcile spiral dynamics and spiritual development (however you want to track that) with  the highest development being "be indifferent to the suffering of all sentient beings".

Cope and delusion. If you see someone get raped in front of you and you're detached and admiring the beauty of nature at work you're a fucking psycho. Which is why often spiritual leaders stop actually interacting with the world they find enough material success to isolate themselves from it and then just reflect and ponder and share their insights with their followers while being completely removed and out of touch from other people's actual lives. 

The whole point is you have agency and the power to change stuff but until you're higher consciousness you probably won't recognize the consequences of your actions and will just hurt someone else to lessen your own suffering well like a rapist a thief a warmonger, etc. 

I really have a dislike for spiritual teachers right now though rubs me the wrong way a lot of narcissism baked into it. Much easier to preach about detachment than to solve the actual tangible material problems that we face. Then having the balls to declare themselves higher consciousness and more developed lol 

How do you build resilient supply chains and diplomatic alliances to stop world hunger? Fuck bro idk don't worry about that though you're God, it's all good! Life is a perfect dream! Don't worry about it! Just meditate more! Become God realized dude it'll be great! 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by LordFall

[moonawakening444]

is it possible to become conscious of God and still be aware of the world´s problems while also doing something about it? 

like actually doing something to make the lives of people around you better....

that´s the question i´ve been sitting with these days

Edited 42 minutes ago by moonawakening444

[Eskilon]

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Also curious how you guys reconcile spiral dynamics and spiritual development (however you want to track that) with  the highest development being "be indifferent to the suffering of all sentient beings".

There's a difference between indifference and non-interference?

This doen't seem crazy because freedom is really one of the ultimate values and highest in virtue. Giving freedom and therefore allowing errors and suffering is still much better than control and coercion.

Freedom will give beings wisdom, love, and intelligence, but that might come through suffering, agony and errors.

The whole point of spirituality is to attain to ever higher levels of freedom and sovereignty. 

Edited 21 minutes ago by Eskilon