Benthino Massaro being exposed

[Mellowmarsh]

25 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Don't tell me what to do lol.

You're not just the apple. Ultimately you are also the tree, whether you like it or not.

Not quite right, but almost.

 

The apple is not the tree because observing knows the apple separates from the tree.

However, there is no apple without a tree, and there’s no tree without an apple because both are the inseparable Appletree.

[Wilhelm44]

9 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Not quite right, but almost.

 

The apple is not the tree because observing knows the apple separates from the tree.

However, there is no apple without a tree, and there’s no tree without an apple because both are the inseparable Appletree.

What riddles does thy speak of ?

For sure there can be a tree without an apple lol

The apple was never real to begin with.

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What riddles does thy speak of ?

For sure there can be a tree without an apple lol

The apple was never real to begin with.

If you’re body could speak right now, what do you think it would say?

[Wilhelm44]

6 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

If you’re body could speak right now, what do you think it would say?

Hooray

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Don't tell me what to do lol.

You're not just the apple. Ultimately you are also the tree, whether you like it or not.

If you mean by God the ultimate authority, thats not me. If you mean consciousness then sure, thats me

[Dodo]

@Wilhelm44 sure the absolute authority is also consciousness, but consciousness can take many forms which can be polar opposites of one another. I aam not consciousness in the form of absolute authority.

[Wilhelm44]

16 minutes ago, Dodo said:

If you mean by God the ultimate authority, thats not me. If you mean consciousness then sure, thats me

Sure, your human can't choose to make the sun not rise tomoro, would be anarchy if everyone could do that.

But why is the first thing we associate with God this ultimate authority thing.

Seems a very human way of thinking.

Can you simply feel God as the aliveness in your veins.

But truly, if ultimately you are not God (having a human experience), then what are you ?

Edited 4 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Mellowmarsh]

26 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Hooray

I can imagine!

[Olaf]

@Wilhelm44 I talked about this earlier, being God in essence is different from being a living God. You have human limitations and if you repeat that you are God too much, you get a God complex, when you can't even pay your bills, can't make a pen float, don't even have a small level of intelligence compared to the infinite knowledge of God, because you can only see from your eyes, not from the eyes of some other human or some alien or whatever. So saying your God can easily lead to spiritual narcissism. Having less ego means also admitting you have an ego, body, mind and are limited by that till it dies, your not even close to being God, forget about what you are in essence, you are in this life very much limited, maybe maybe if your body dies can you say your God truely as you come truely back to yourself, but then there is no one to say it or speak it or to say "I am God" as that person/body/mind/ego whatever you want to call it is dead, not fake spiritual death, but REAL death, mahasamadhi. 

[Wilhelm44]

56 minutes ago, Olaf said:

@Wilhelm44 I talked about this earlier, being God in essence is different from being a living God. You have human limitations and if you repeat that you are God too much, you get a God complex, when you can't even pay your bills, can't make a pen float, don't even have a small level of intelligence compared to the infinite knowledge of God, because you can only see from your eyes, not from the eyes of some other human or some alien or whatever. So saying your God can easily lead to spiritual narcissism. Having less ego means also admitting you have an ego, body, mind and are limited by that till it dies, your not even close to being God, forget about what you are in essence, you are in this life very much limited, maybe maybe if your body dies can you say your God truely as you come truely back to yourself, but then there is no one to say it or speak it or to say "I am God" as that person/body/mind/ego whatever you want to call it is dead, not fake spiritual death, but REAL death, mahasamadhi. 

@Olaf  There are many examples of teachers through the ages who have realized themselves as God or the Absolute, without going down the road of zen devilry. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Olaf]

@Wilhelm44 realising your essence doesn´t make you less human, you're still human. You´re essence doesn´t change by a realisation, but you´re realisation makes you act as if you´re God, all the guru´s talk slowly, walk slowly as if they walk on water, when truely it´s a performance. Even on a knowledge skill we lack the infinite wisdom that God has, forget about powers, just understanding itself is what we lack, we lack so many things that God has and we don´t, actually we lack infinitely what God has in powers, in understanding, in possibilities, in its limitlessness and infinity. We are better to believe we are less than God and be in awe of how magnificent God is, than to believe we are equal to God or God itself.

I am not gonna go much deeper in it right now as this topic is about Bentinho and not about God.