Is Infinite Love Possible without psychedelics?

[TheGod]

It's been 6 months since my last trip. 

I really miss infinite love that I am. 5MeO-DMT trips were the most beautiful, the most loving and the most terrifying  experiences that I had in my life. Everything else in life fails in comparison. 

I was wondering if there was a way to be in that love state without psychedelics.

Please, before you answer, make sure you've been on at least 50 trips on 5MeO-DMT and understand what I am talking about. 

Thank u

[Osaid]

8 minutes ago, TheGod said:

Everything else in life fails in comparison.

Of course. It's a comparison. There isn't really "everything else" to compare to. If there was "infinite love" and "everything else", that wouldn't be the same as infinite love.

10 minutes ago, TheGod said:

Please, before you answer, make sure you've been on at least 50 trips on 5MeO-DMT and understand what I am talking about. 

And therein, the obscuring of infinite love, on behalf of someone or something other than infinite love that understands infinite love and takes psychedelics in order to become infinite love.

[TheGod]

1 minute ago, Osaid said:

And therein, the obscuring of infinite love, on behalf of someone or something other than infinite love that understands infinite love and takes psychedelics in order to become infinite love.

Yo dude it's too deep to understand, I read 3 times and didn't get it.

Please explain how to be infinite love without psychedelics

[Leo Gura]

Kriya yoga is the next best thing.

[TheGod]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Kriya yoga is the next best thing.

Hmm, could be. I never tried it actually. 

 

[Osaid]

Just now, TheGod said:

Please explain how to be infinite love without psychedelics

Infinite love is infinite, and therefore, it is whole. 

Someone that understands infinite love would be a part, not whole (infinite).

It's like asking "why can't the Mona Lisa figure out that it is the whole painting"? It can't because it isn't. The finite can't know that there isn't finite.

"How to be infinite love" begs the question: what are you identifying as, or taking yourself to be, which is separate from this experience? This experience is already infinite.

[TheGod]

4 minutes ago, Osaid said:

"How to be infinite love" begs the question: what are you identifying as, or taking yourself to be, which is separate from this experience? This experience is already infinite.

I remember from my experiences that it is infinite but my state of consciousness is too low now to live it as the actual truth. 

I guess it's about time for me to do some 5MeO again to remember what I forgot. 

[Osaid]

4 hours ago, TheGod said:

I remember from my experiences that it is infinite but my state of consciousness is too low now to live it as the actual truth. 

I guess it's about time for me to do some 5MeO again to remember what I forgot. 

Again, it is how you are defining yourself. It is how you are identifying yourself within this experience, which you are being.

Where is the "me" which is said to be separate from consciousness? No one has ever actually experienced that. 

Edited 15 minutes ago by Osaid

[TheGod]

Just now, Osaid said:

Where is the "me" which is said to be separate from consciousness? No one has ever actually experienced that. 

Me is my mind i know it's not real but I just don't feel infinite love right now.

Even if I stop thinking it's just being but without love. Just peace 

[Osaid]

Just now, TheGod said:

Even if I stop thinking it's just being but without love. Just peace

It's the same. Just stay there until it is obvious.

To be anything requires you to be infinite. It's not possible to be anything while being finite. "Being" is all you need.

[TheGod]

19 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Just stay there until it is obvious

18 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Just stay there until it is obvious.

It'd take me probably 24/7 hours 

[Osaid]

21 minutes ago, TheGod said:

It'd take me probably 24/7 hours 

Lol. Up until even the idea of time vanishes. 

[TheGod]

7 minutes ago, Osaid said:

Lol. Up until even the idea of time vanishes. 

You know it's the same story every time since the very first trip on 5MeO-DMT.

I vape it until I breakthrough and then I always choose to come back. After living life for a while I soon realize that life is nonsense and nothing satisfies me and then I go and do 5 MeO DMT again just to find myself in the same situation of wanting to come back. 

The thing that chooses to come back isn't ego, because in those states there is no time or ego or anything just burning ass raping infinite love. 
So I am not even sure if my desire to awaken is actually God's desire, it seem it's Ego 

[Osaid]

8 minutes ago, TheGod said:

I vape it until I breakthrough and then I always choose to come back. After living life for a while I soon realize that life is nonsense and nothing satisfies me and then I go and do 5 MeO DMT again just to find myself in the same situation of wanting to come back. 

If an aspect or behavior in your life seems to be looping without any resolution, it is not a coincidence. It is the result of the ideas and beliefs that you have about experience. The body is simply a conduit which serves these ideas and beliefs, and it acts them out in accordance. The resulting looping behavior is a psychosomatic manifestation stemming from how you are defining your reality (nonsense and dissatisfaction).

You already know why all of this is happening. You said it right there. You said that you think life is nonsense and that nothing will satisfy you. As soon as that is questioned, then the behavior will stop. Otherwise, if you believe that the psychedelic is providing you something more than life, then you are getting exactly what you want by repeatedly using the psychedelic. From that perspective it makes sense to continually use psychedelics. That perspective is based on the identity of being dissatisfied.

12 minutes ago, TheGod said:

So I am not even sure if my desire to awaken is actually God's desire, it seem it's Ego 

Right. Cycles, loops, and dissatisfaction. Definitely seems like something attributed to separation.

Essentially, the infinite reality is being conceptualized as if it is a result of a substance separate of you. The body is acting out this belief, which manifests as a looping behavior "to get back to that reality".

That is why sitting in that "thoughtless peace" is so enlightening and humbling. 

[TheGod]

20 minutes ago, Osaid said:

If an aspect or behavior in your life seems to be looping without any resolution, it is not a coincidence. It is the result of the ideas and beliefs that you have about experience. The body is simply a conduit which serves these ideas and beliefs, and it acts them out in accordance. The resulting looping behavior is a psychosomatic manifestation stemming from how you are defining your reality (nonsense and dissatisfaction).

You already know why all of this is happening. You said it right there. You said that you think life is nonsense and that nothing will satisfy you. As soon as that is questioned, then the behavior will stop. Otherwise, if you believe that the psychedelic is providing you something more than life, then you are getting exactly what you want by repeatedly using the psychedelic. From that perspective it makes sense to continually use psychedelics. That perspective is based on the identity of being dissatisfied.

Right. Cycles, loops, and dissatisfaction. Definitely seems like something attributed to separation.

Essentially, the infinite reality is being conceptualized as if it is a result of a substance separate of you. The body is acting out this belief, which manifests as a looping behavior "to get back to that reality".

That is why sitting in that "thoughtless peace" is so enlightening and humbling. 

After all my 100+ trips and everything I read in spiritual books all I understand is that I don't understand anything at all.

Pure understanding of not understanding 

[Osaid]

54 minutes ago, TheGod said:

After all my 100+ trips and everything I read in spiritual books all I understand is that I don't understand anything at all.

Pure understanding of not understanding 

Of course. Infinite cannot know finite. The infinite has nothing to know or understand about itself. The only way to chase after finite knowledge is if you think that you yourself are finite.

Edited 2 hours ago by Osaid

[Ramasta9]

Have you tried going up to yourself in the mirror and spreading that infinite love? or in others / ways since? No substance can magically give you what you have yet to own and embody yourself. They can only "show you" what is possible, but you must "radiate" such an energy out First.

The Universe is kinda like a mirror, the reality around you is more or less a reflection of our (internal state), so if we don't smile, how can the reflection in the mirror smile back? What are you doing on a day to day basis to cultivate and generate more love?

Start with those simple questions and actions. I know it can be challenging sometimes, but you gotta keep at it, and it only gets stronger.

There are no shortcuts to Enlightenment. I've taken a substances countless times, they mostly temporarily course-correct, but you must continue the rest of the way, the real enlightenment is in the reality, chopping wood, carrying water, washing dishes, being kind and supportive to others, spreading the love, doing the spiritual practices, gradually this generates (momentum) that eventually becomes your new default state of consciousness.

The most profound changes I seen was when i devoted 24/7 of my time to god, love, truth ect... not only once in a while.