Was it 5-Meo?

[Nilas]

A few weeks ago, I smoked something that was supposed to be 5-MeO-DMT, but I’m not entirely sure.     
After struggling for a long time to get my hands on 5-MeO-DMT, I found a source that looked promising: from the Netherlands, Clear Web, and apparently lab-tested. 
The color is slightly brownish (I would, but I can't attach a picture; I don't know why), but noticeably darker than NN-DMT. The smell is similarly sweet, but still a bit different. It smells a bit dark, turquoise, if that makes sense.  
I vaped about 7 mg, and within 15 seconds realized it was significantly stronger than expected. The trip lasted about 15 minutes, during which I lay in bed with my eyes closed and my heart pounding. The trip was very similar to nn-DMT, just without the tunnel or fractals; completely without hallucinations. Otherwise, it was very similar: overwhelming, intense, dissolving, panic-inducing… The afterglow wasn’t long and calm like with nn-DMT (at least it always was for me), but abrupt, sudden, and left me with a headache and a strong monkey mind. The trip had nothing mystical, spiritual, or personal about it.    
I’ve taken 5-MeO before (only plugged), and I can’t connect the two experiences in any way. 

I’m hesitant to take it again, since I don’t feel like smoking a chemical when I’m not 100% sure what it is. 

So here are my questions:
Could it be a 5-MeO-DMT (or even nn-dmt) derivative? Does such a thing even exist?
Is vaping 5-MeO-DMT that different from plugging it?
Is there a reliable way (in Europe/Germany) to test for 5-MeO-DMT?
Any idea what this might be?

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Nilas

[LambdaDelta]

That sure sounds like 5MD on all fronts. There's several different batches of it going around in the EU atm, from literal chocolate brown, to waxy yellow, to pure crystalline white, and the in-between you got. Just like N,N-DMT it can take on a whole gamut of colors. Similar analogues exist, but they're not something you'd find in clearnet RC shops. 

Change of route can make a very significant difference, yes. 5MD is 100% somatic for me intramuscularly, and vaporized is a weird but not unpleasant mix of consciousness increase and intracranial pressure. Batch, set, setting, your baseline, God's will, etc. all play a role as well. 

No need to lab test it yourself, just switch to a vendor that provides actual 3rd party analytical results intead of printing the supposed purity % on the baggie label. But if you do want to lab test substances in the future, best EU resource is Kykeon. They also have a pool of crowdsourced results from various vendors, including DNM. 
https://www.kykeonanalytics.com/en
5MD freebase will quickly turn into an oil above 70°C, so that's one way to test at home, albeit not the most reliable. 

[Oppositionless]

Everyone is different .

8 mg for me is a breakthrough. Some people need twice that. Sounds like you might be in the more sensitive range.

I've never taken a breakthrough dose via plugging but I would imagine it's maybe 10-20% less overwhelming than a vaped breakthrough. As for length, well I've just hit the vape multiple times to extend the trip but if you don't do that plugging lasts twice to three or even four times as long.

Ive never done extreme doses (ie 20 mg vaped or 30 mg plugged) but I would imagine that that's the range where some of the stuff Leo talks about happens... I'm too scared atm lol.

edit: actually I seriously would not reccomend vaping 20 mg at all. If you want to go into the extreme range I think you should only do it via plugging (or nose- that's both shorter than plugging and less intense than vaping, but only with salt).

Edited 7 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Nilas]

Thank you for your replies. I´ll check Kykeon out.
Yes, above all, I was surprised by how intense the trip was. I know I'm sensitive, but 7 mg didn't seem like a very large dose to me. And then it was also very diffrent from plugging, where i had a strong body-load and intuitively made these symmetrical movements, the same ones Martin Ball makes. Nothing like this via vaping. 
The other thing was that, especially in hindsight, I really didn't know what to make of the experience. Mostly, I was just focused on breathing deeply to calm myself down. It was just as fast-acting and overwhelming as nn-DMT, which I hadn't expected. And so i thought it must be a derivative.
Maybe if I can relax, I'll have time to reflect and contemplate even while I'm on the trip... 
I ll guess i plug next time again then. 
Thanks again!

Edited 7 hours ago by Nilas

[Oppositionless]

@Nilas I'm probably also going to do more plugging in the future . I've taken a 2 month hiatus from tripping but when I'm doing it again, I want to plug more , and drink NN. Vaping is clearly the biggest "mindfuck" but mindfuck isn't necessarily what I'm looking for anymore.

[Leo Gura]

Almost certainly it's 5-MeO.