History of Flaviius

[kavaris]

In Classical Greek (5th–4th c. BCE),  / χ / was pronounced  [kʰ] →  that is, [k] + puff of air (like an inner aspiration) within... Later, during the Hellenistic period, / χ / shifted:  /kʰ/ → /x/ → kch sound (like, "Bach", a rough, gutteral fricative sound)

That's when it starts to resemble German *Bach (e.g., Scottish loch... Or theres the Welsh breathy "hiss", though i think its higher pitch). It use to be quite different.

The point is, i dont actually know why it starts to go in that direction (someone mentioned the Babylonians having these kindve sounds, but those gutteral sounds are going through significant changes; Ergo its more complicated than that). The Phoenician alphabet had a letter called ḥet (𐤇) first of all, so we are beginning from the West. In some sortve round about way however, Akkadian/Assyrian eras in the timeline are going to encounter Egyptian inscriptions or Phoenician (possibly just stones assoc. w/ "tones"~sortve like runestones, introduced, or demonstrated as to why its better than scratching cuneiform marks).

*Note,  on the topic of *stones, scholars bring up Greek πέτρα in the bible alot, and totally miss the analogy somehow, but lets not get into it or we will be way off topic...

By the late first millennium BCE, Aramaic alphabet writing emerges alongside cuneiform, and they are like "Well fck, why are we writing these little unintelligible marks... We need to switch to this since the whole natural speaking world is tryina write us messages"

You cant send messages to Egypt unless you are writing in a shared languages. You can think of it like a proto-UN language: if two empires dont share a language for official documents, theres no way to make treaties, trade agreements, or military reports work reliably.

But what is the point to all of this? Well you can use the evolution of language to understand when or where these words are coming from, whether it be a word from the bible, or a word from something else. You can thus tell, for instance, take Paul, if Paul is using some word, we can tell where that word is coming from by looking at its etymology, and the sounds in it during his time.

p.s. Just to reiterate, you cant go by Proto-Indo European (unless you can see the actual connection it makes clearly), and nor can you go by Jewish Assyrian or Paleo-Hebrew, or Magikal Hebrew, or Hebrew-Hebrew, as they are languages that either are used as a *catch-all, or they are Magickal languages happening after the bible~unless your research is on the Medieval ages and Renaissance. But anyway, u dont want to investigate Hebrew, as its an *intentional deadend/limiter, like an intentional tribal garbage-collector language(s), granted they dont actually have distinct evidence, so you just have to imagine that there is some evolution/incentive leading up to distinct variations. Like the Bronze Age happened in 1200–1150 BC, but for Hebrew it was a Bronze Age Collapse happening every year~era, forcing them into a perpetual bronze age reboot... we're mostly reconstructing what we think is Hebrew from later forms, which hides centuries of variation!)

p.s.s. Egypt/Nile R., & the Red Sea is a natural divider, policing the border of the continents of Africa and the M.East. And thats not a coincidence. That's pure strategical history carved out, though it is later generations of Egypt that are closing the gates so to speak ~

Edited Tuesday at 12:42 AM by kavaris

[kavaris]

I just wanna leave one more note here for yall to build on, and that is how this story is bigger than Jerusalem and surrounding areas ~ As the common fascination is w/ the common era (1st AD Century), the same 12 disciples, or the same characters that pertain to the new testament, and thats a story of not so many characters, and trying to work w/ evidence that youd be hard pressed to say one way over the other about. I found it interesting because it related to "Rome" and Greece. Like, i believe that theres a piece of Rome / Greece that we are missing in order to change things for the better. I dont think things are gonna change for the better by looking at Jesus for the 50'ith thousan'th time again.

Its the same situation w/ the old test., that is, your Noahs, Abrahams, Isaacs.. Jacobs, Josephs, Moses'... Alongside Aaron and Miriam (P.s. Moses is a common name... Thutmoses, Amenmose, Ramesses  essentially = RaMoses); And several hundred years later n the old testa., you got Joshua, Gideon, Naomi, Ruth, and Boaz, followed by Samuel, Jephthah, Ephraim, Samson, Saul, David and Solomon, and then Jehoshaphat, Elijah, Jehoram.

Similarly you have the Angels outside of the bible (though theres one or two mentioned in the bible~canon): Arariel, Ariel, Azazel, Azrael, Bachiel, Cassiel, Cherubim, Daniel, Eisheth, Gabriel, Jerahmeel, Jophiel, Lailah, Michael, Nuriel, Nephilim, Ramiel, Raphael, Raziel, Samael, Seraphim, Sariel, Teraphim, Uriel, Zerachiel

These are anecdotal figures from the ancient era, if they are real; Not characters that we know forwell (beyond any verses they might have in the bible). The new testament figures assoc., Jesus (or James or Mary) are the kinds of characters that fascinate ppl, but like, theres only so many times you can look at Luke 3:4 –> As it is written in the book of the words of Isaiah the prophet: Or ‘A voice of one calling in the wilderness... “Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.

Theres mystical theology and material not included in the bible, but you are reading the same things over and over, its stuff about Jesus (or stuff leading up to him) and im not sure what the goal in all of that would be, other than being like a fake-intellectual scavenger hunt toward nothing. Theres little, if any, Philosophy hanging at the other side of the rainbow. But, if yous wanna see a crazy story, https://eulogikon.org/index_alphabetic

Start from the first figure at the top, "Abydenus the Historian", and just scroll up a little to see if the figures that start with /A/, see if they ever end... or count to yourself (1, 2, 3...) And see how long it takes to get to the first figure that starts with /B/...

Thats jus' a slice of all of the figures (starting with /A/ alone) that derive from the Ancient Greece / Roman era of literature and fragments, fragments that we've had passed down to us. That is the epitome of Philosophy since it contains the seeds of what would be the recordings of~and the guide itself on Philosophy; Philosophy as a common term/notion that ppl would come to know

I am going off topic, cause i already made a thread specifically on Philosophy, but this is just to say that, I wasnt actually interested in Jesus or the bible. I was tryina make a thread on whats-his-face, Josephus Flaviius to demonstrate that there are people from Jerusalem that are able to lead the story towards something \*else, instead of leading it BACK into that sht show that is Jerusalem,

And they somehow survive, possibly being lucky enough to tell the tale and say something significant, and not about, "glory to the lord". Someone like Josephus Flavius wouldve been an example of someone staggered and shook, and just trying to *resolve those events in his head, in some way that felt like it was the truth for his situation / dilemma. All lives / experiences are like a resolve of a particular dilemma that we are thrown into, you know, if it isnt Jesus, then its like the Planetary Aliens and the Galactic Light on the Pedestal or somethin. If it isnt Big Foot, then its the Abominable Snow Man / Yeti', if its not Skinwalker Ranch, its something else... I mean, theres gonna be something at the *center of the conversation, and Jesus just so happens to look like something that fits in the center of a story, but that is like, a pointer to an experience that is a mystery, in the same way a' rare unicorn creature in S.Amer., or N.Russia is a mystery~seeing as nobodies ever found it yet.

We continue to search for the unicorn, we continue to search for Jesus (or Satan, same thing, same *seed atleast). But these may not even be real people or creatures. History makes alot more sense when you see it from like a step-by-step, like carving one inscription on the wall at a time, and adding puzzle piece inscriptions to the canyon-side-winde or somethin', that which hold the most potential.

 

Edited yesterday at 01:28 AM by kavaris

[Rafael Thundercat]

Have you ever heard about Mauro Biglino?

He have something to say about the Real trasnlations of Exodus+Genesis..etc..

I had two book from him but I had no patience to go search about his claims. 

[kavaris]

On 3/31/2026 at 9:52 PM, Rafael Thundercat said:

Have you ever heard about Mauro Biglino?

He have something to say about the Real trasnlations of Exodus+Genesis..etc..

I had two book from him but I had no patience to go search about his claims. 

Oh, italian author right? i think i heard of him but i havent checked him out... i def will though... thanks for that, i am interested in that sortve stuff. I like listening, nd hearing wat ppl have to say, as it helps see what the broader opinion..

Even if its like a scholar who only does bible stuff.. & even if after i watch it and give it my full & honest attention, at the end~Even if i end up disliking him, i still appreciate being given the opportunity to dislike him  if that even makes sense i dont know...

I think wat im tryina say is, ppl should know that, You Are Appreciated. Atleast, I appreciate you. As some people dont hear that enough, And you can see their fire slowly dimming. Hey, Iuno about what others think out there, but i appreciate you. And that goes for everyone.

I mean, its weird how we are sortve challenging each other as a form of appreciation... but then again, if we didnt do that, And if alls we said was "I appreciate you" over & over, it would surely lose its meaning, dont yous all agree?

And there is something i wanted to leave for others who dont yet know or understand how to get started in history, languages, etc.... @everybod: My personal suggestion for others is... Dont start w/ learning Greek or Hebrew (language) unless you are coming from the Italian language. Greek is not hard by any means, but just to ensure the smoothest transition and exp., go in this order of operations,

1. Italian, 2. Latin (or go w/ Alchemical Latin first, And THEN italian, cause thats wat i did), 3. THEN Greek, and Hebrew if you are into it (it only has like a couple thousand words anyway) ... And i dont mean learn EVERYTHING in italian, i mean, sortve Dive into Italian to immerse yourself in it, then Dive into Latin to immerse yourself in it... Then do that w/ Greek.

Lemmas/Thesaurus & dictionaries and very helpful. You def wanna learn the rules. Write down "your interpretations" of the rules, so that all these things *belong to you... Like, *to appreciate something, is to possess it... if you know wat i mean..

And so thats the sequence you want to follow. and after you do that you will understand why i suggested it that way. I mean most ppl prolly do know this, maybe some dont. But i jus thought i should make it explicitly said.. Itll just be easier... again, not that its that hard... but in order to sortve "backtrack the philosophy" of the romantic language emergence, you have to follow that yellow brick road, and not go, gellow, red, blu, gren, indigo, cerulean, etc

p.s. in order to *backtrack Alchemical Latin, this is the key resources that i used to start, note however they also delve into some unusual bits of history, atleast these first books... And i  forget if its the second or first volume that had the actual index of all the names (that is, Latin names of Elements + stages/processes, actions, substances, materials, recipes, qualities):
i. Histoire de la pharmacie à travers les âges. Tome I, de l'Antiquité au XVIe siècle (In French, "History of Pharmacy Through the Ages. Volume I, from Antiquity to the 16th Century", 8th Century BC — 16th Century, et cætera)

~
ii. Histoire de la pharmacie à travers les âges. Tome II, du XVIIe siècle à nos jours (In French, "History of Pharmacy Through the Centuries. Volume II, from the 17th century to the present day", approx. 1700 — 1931 or 1932).

~
iii. Medicinisch- Chymisch- und Alchemistisches Oraculum: *(...)* (In German, which goes on, and fully reads as, "Medicinal-Chemical- and Alchemical Oraculum: in which one finds not only all the signs and abbreviations which appear in the prescriptions and books of physicians and pharmacists as well as in the writings of chemists and alchemists, but also a very rare chemical manuscript of a certain Reich, is enclosed", Ulm, Germany, 1755).

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iv. In addition, I should reference the various alchemical writings by Paracelsus of the 15th Century — Archidoxes, Coelum Philosophorum, et cætera.

Note theres, Alchemical Latin, German, French and Italian (And Ancient Greek Alchemy which is a whole other story) And so you are getting a little taste of this right from the start.

Edited 15 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

@R.Thundercat, about M.Biglino ~ I'm listening to Mauro Biglino atm, And i wanna say i like this guy, but i cant understand what he says (XD halol), as hes tryina say something about "taking the book literally/historically"... However

... theres something in the description that says hes gona be talking about how ".. the chars. in the bible contact non-human (alien?) beings" or something, so i prolly wouldnt agree w/ that part. And again, because his accent is so heavy, its hard to understand. Though, so far from what ive heard him say, i do like this guy.

Anyone Italian i find that i have a kinship w/ btw, so that parts not missed on me either lolol... And, later If he does bring up non-human, alien beings, like i said, thatll prolly not be my cup of tea, but everything else i would agree w/

I believe "Angels" are just real people. Not that hes said anything about Angels or Giants yet (i havent got to that if he does) but i would just say that, those are refs. to real experiences, interactions between real people. But that doesnt mean that the people in that experience dont transcend reality/experience; For everyones experience of a person is different then what that person could & may be, and so its not to dissuade everyone from the idea that theres Angels, but "Angel" is a personification, a motif of the mind or an Archetype of the mind. Technically, we could be Angels, and someone reading our words could be someone who believes *Us to be Angels. You see what i mean? *p.s. if i say something thats non-specific or its somethin thats not canon to bible, then i meant the larger corpus of texts that had been excluded from~cause the bible i think only has like two Angels in it ever~But you need all of them cause the whole idea imo depended on them. i assume all them angels are suppose to be in there, and they naively cut em out for whatever reason... Maybe they felt it sounded too unbelievable, i dont know, but it bridges the \*reality of the situation imo—But in angelic form

Edited 14 hours ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

e.g. if all the bible was about people having these religious experiences with angels~Like one angel after another, the next obvious question would be if what we are hearing in the text is all about the angels (of heaven) or *Angel as an elaborate version of the non-angelic people experiencing something "Angelic".

Like it would become such an obvious question, that it wouldnt be like "Theres two angels here... A direct exp. w/ God there... An interesting magical conclusion there, etc, etc"

Instead we would have a bridge towards the next obvious questions, "Are these events real..Are we just misunderstanding *Angelic?"

[kavaris]

This kindve shows yous the lineage of decision making ~ for the Greeks (who were essentially the Romans from generations before) were all about Virtue, and Justice, Virtue & Justice as more of higher priority aspects ~ And it shows you how or why the bible is being written, in the sense that, the Ancient Greeks and Romans didnt care about the Angels; They didnt care about like ~ What Enoch was told...

Wait, i shouldnt say they didnt care...

They didnt *hold it to such a high priority that they thought it should coincide w/ the broader collection of texts. And so my point is like, Greeks wrote and arranged the bible to preserve what they thought represented justice and virtues, without the Jewish influence really having a say, And thats probably for good reason too as there was alot of "exaggeration" that you had to get through to sortve build this Jewish Magnum Opus... I mean, The Roman Empire went on later as a symbol of these things, that reflect the interests of the Vatican or the church of 4th CE, like that Vatican was, and still is like a symbol of what it is, its like... Rome took over, and Christians were in some sense, traditionless children who were taken ahold of, and forced (through happenstance scenarios) to approach life with the bible at their side.

Like we have the wiggle room to see beyond, but the children of the original traditionless children didnt have that type of flexibility.

Note, heres some ancient history yous can investigate: The Pentateuch (first five books) was translated around 280–250 BC in Alexandria, Egypt, That leads into a story bout the Torah translated to Greek... BUT what is missing from the story is those are Egyptian priests translating/writing, in the same way the Greeks would be looking at those texts, translating and writing. There is no bible at that point. We would be remissed to make a claim on "What those texts were" that go between Egypt and Greece, cause they dont come as a concrete collection, and they dont have the evidence to back it... They do have the Greek, so thats what yous can say. Like if Egyptian Priests cared, then they would surely be replicating texts all over like crazy, right? But thats not whats happened. Egyptians wouldve prioritized Egyptian beliefs. Who knows what or how the Torah even happens, and it doesnt matter. Its not representative of a puzzle piece that explains history, its just a roadblock to what the history would require in order to make sense. You could say  the "Garrish-Maqluba" language was the original language that the bible was written in, and it would be making the same statement that tells us nothing, nor does it even make sense.

Edited 13 hours ago by kavaris

[Joseph Maynor]

This is a good video to show how Christianity was heavily influenced by Western Philosophy.  

 

[kavaris]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This is a good video to show how Christianity was heavily influenced by Western Philosophy.  

 

(part i)

Thx. Im gonna check this out. The other thing i will have to look into is Christianity as it was establish after Roman Empire and Italy by 1800, As i had started my research during the first Century up to 1700-1800. And now we are getting into what we could call "Christianity, as it is known now", Which then splits into European Christianity, and N. Amer/S. Amer. Christianity ~ Which i bring up because North Americas christianity is like... Its so heavily dependent on things like the King James vers., And seldom does anyone know that people like Martin Luther (1522 New testament translation that no one even knows about) comes from Martin Luther who was in the era of German Necromancy and Medieval German Alchemy, and King James wrote books on Demonology; Im being serious, they are individuals that started out writing different genres of magick (look it up)

Ive done a whole thing on Martin Luther, as i was studying the Habsburg Chancery language, and Germany/Austria secretarial writings from that era of 1400-1500 And Martin Luther is very important for such research (inb4: like hundreds of other figures, but i digress...)

ANDOh and Hebrew also began as a Medieval Magick language, atleast what we call Hebrew today. The point is, people dont even know the history of Alchemy & Magick~And how different Christianity today is from Christianity back then...

But anyway... Going back to the video, im gonna check it out...

@Joseph Maynor Thx man. Im watchin it now.

Edited 40 minutes ago by kavaris

[kavaris]

@Joseph Maynor (part ii) Oh wow, so hes going way back to the beginning ~those important fundamental aspects to religion and western thought, as he mentioned the *logos, and i think he mentioned Platonism. Hes goin way back to the Greek Philosophy, And thats how all these things begin, or the kinds of ideas they have to contend w/

*p.s. this should be fairly obvious, but when i am talking about Martin Luther & King James ~ That has nothing to do w/ Martin Luther King, *i had a dream... Lol, cause im sure someone out theres gonna be like "OH i know, Martin luther king, i had a dream!"

Edited 29 minutes ago by kavaris