Destiny foreign policy is very Western biased and Stage Orange

[Karmadhi]

Hello

I have done some investigations regarding Destiny's position in different foreign policy and geopolitical issues in the last 20 years or so

Although I agree with some of his positions like that Russia was wrong to invade Ukraine or opposing Trump's racist and shitty internal policies, in general I notice a very strong Western bias, mostly American akin to typical Stage Orange in his views

They do not seem to care about truth but simply what helps American establishment succeed

One good example is supporting the Libyan war, which was a total disaster for Libya and was done on very bad policy of installing democracy by force to a Stage Purple/Red society, purely to benefit the geopolitical goals of other countries

Another example is his double standards regarding Ukraine and Gaza where Israel gets far more of a blank check to do war crimes than Russia simply because "Israel is our ally and pro West" meanwhile Russia is not.

Saying also "Russia had no good reason to invade Ukraine" is too simplistic and totally ignores the survival agenda of Russia, something which Americans would never tolerate on their own. Supporting Ukraine fundamentally is logical but totally dismissing Russia's position shows huge lack of awareness of other countries survival agendas

I am posting this thread because I see that he is mentioned far too much, I do not even know why but he seems to be popular in this forum

I think he has a very strong Stage Orange when it comes to foreign policy

If you compare it to people like Bernie Sanders or Mehdi Hasan, you can tell his positions are more about defending his own society than trying to find truth

What do you guys think?

[Basman]

Why does a random streamer need to go into geopolitical detail when he is making an of overview of the actions he thinks should be taken? What more do you need to know than that invading Ukraine is bad? Leave the analysis to the country experts.

[Basman]

10 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

If you compare it to people like Bernie Sanders or Mehdi Hasan, you can tell his positions are more about defending his own society than trying to find truth

These people just have a different vision of how survival should be handled. Politics is survival. 

[Karmadhi]

6 hours ago, Basman said:

Why does a random streamer need to go into geopolitical detail when he is making an of overview of the actions he thinks should be taken? What more do you need to know than that invading Ukraine is bad? Leave the analysis to the country experts.

You can use the same argument for Jordan Peterson, he is a psychologist firstly

Same for Dave Smith who was a comedian

Destiny has a huge platform and he seems to be included often on this forum which is why I made a post about him

And just being right on Ukraine (even though with a super pro Western lense on assessing the situation), does not mean much

Issue is caring about ur pro Western biased views rather than Truth when you get millions of views is problematic.

[Karmadhi]

6 hours ago, Basman said:

These people just have a different vision of how survival should be handled. Politics is survival. 

Yes it is more Stage Green which to me is closer to Truth than Stage Orange

They can see devirly on every actor, including their own

That is the core difference

They may be unrealistic in terms of actual solutions but at least their assessment and analysis of the situation is far more objective in my opinion

Its just their proposed solutions are not realistic

When it comes to understand devirly and survival situations of different actors to me Stage Green (although not perfect ofc) is still better than Orange

Orange seems to basically say "USA good", "Russia, China, etc bad"

Too simplistic.

Edited 3 hours ago by Karmadhi

[Leo Gura]

Yup. His Israel position is quite bad.

[Karmadhi]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yup. His Israel position is quite bad.

Its not just that to be honest

The reason his Israel position is how it is is because of his underlined "Western bias, especially American bias" 

He also seemed to be ok with overthrowing Gadaffi which to me was a massive massive mistake and although I agree with his stance on Ukraine, he totally fails to take into account the Russian survival agenda

Basically it is Western exceptionism, especially American

The idea that America is right in what they do and they are immune to mistakes

You can feel when he talks that his loyalty is to USA instead of truth

Which is why to me it is suprising why people give him so much time and attention on foreign policies matters when you have far better commentators

I will agree however that on internal policies within USA he seems much better and actually can factually challenge MAGA and all the White Christian supremacists that exist within USA

Edited 1 hour ago by Karmadhi

[enchanted]

Destiny is worth listening to because he is a skilled debater. He demonstrates how to successfully articulate his point of view regardless of whether you personally agree with the view or not. Nobody has a 100% consistent or correct worldview. What you can learn from Destiny is how to be a good debator. He has examples of poor performance too. 

 

I encourage you to share ideas and debates that you find inspiring that we can all learn from.

[Leo Gura]

Yes, his worldivew is very pro-American.

He doesn't challenge American empire. He likes American hegemony and wants to maintain it.

That is a core limitation of his worldview and shows how much more growth he has to do.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Karmadhi]

20 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Destiny is worth listening to because he is a skilled debater. He demonstrates how to successfully articulate his point of view regardless of whether you personally agree with the view or not. Nobody has a 100% consistent or correct worldview. What you can learn from Destiny is how to be a good debator. He has examples of poor performance too. 

Fair that is indeed true

Especially when it comes to fighting back MAGA lunatics

His internal policies discussions to be fair are pretty good

Edited 1 hour ago by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, his worldivew is very pro-American.

He doesn't challenge American empire. He likes American hegemony and wants to maintain it.

That is a core limitation of his worldview and shows how much more growth he has to do.

Leo what do you think about the recent war in Iran? It has been close to 2 weeks now

I remember you were in principle against it 2 years ago but given the violent crushing of the protests in Iran in January are you still against the intervention or see it as a necessary evil?

I have a lot of Iranian friends and I notice a big division amongs them, some are in favour and some are against

I am talking about non pro government Iranians here

[Leo Gura]

@Karmadhi I am against all US wars.

If the US starts a war, the US is wrong. The details are irrelevant.

Edited 41 minutes ago by Leo Gura