What is Magic

[ZGROPIUS]

I recently experienced a Taoist ritual. In the Taoist system, after reincarnation, memories are erased, and the soul is reborn as a human or animal. A person’s life is preordained, and things like the Eight Characters (Ba Zi) and the I Ching can precisely predict what will happen in a person’s life, including the future. The fate is meant. The life is a prison.

The life of a man is meant to go through enlightenment and cultivation, with the goal of becoming immortal. In the Taoist system, there are countless gods who assist their disciples with magic and help the mortal world. Statues and deities people worship, such as the Three Pure Ones, the God of Wealth, and the Earth God, are real gods. If a disciple achieves immortality, they too will help other disciples. This cycle continues endlessly.

 

I spent 3 years enduring intense physical suffering, seeking countless psychologists of post-modernism. Believing in love and practicing Qigong, but it was all in vain. It wasn’t until a Taoist removed the evil spells on me and killed the demon that had possessed me—within 10 minutes, and after a night’s sleep—my symptoms, which had lasted for 3 years, completely dissapeared.

I started to question what is discussed on Actualized.org about the devil and god. Is it merely a philosophical metaphor, or is it the same worldview as the exorcism I experienced? In reality, an evil sorcerer can control demons to cast spells on people, cultivating demon servants, and commanding demons to possess others, causing illness and misfortune. One can kill demons, use magic to bring good luck, health, and wealth. How should these ideas be understood in the context of the teachings of Actualized.org?

 

[Ziran]

On 3/7/2026 at 3:08 PM, ZGROPIUS said:

How should these ideas be understood in the context of the teachings of Actualized.org?

The teachings of Actualized.org is closer to nei-dan, inner-alchemy.  Daoist exorcism is in a completely different category.

[cetus]

On 3/7/2026 at 6:08 PM, ZGROPIUS said:

How should these ideas be understood in the context of the teachings of Actualized.org?

Thought = reality. If you believe it, then that's your reality.

[ZGROPIUS]

1 hour ago, cetus said:

Thought = reality. If you believe it, then that's your reality.

Can you make a chest pain go away by thought, hope and the feeling of love? In my experience thought don’t change reality. 

I used to believe that my bodily symptoms were caused by something wrong with my language system and my thought. In lacanian POV subjective projects reality by language structure. For years, I worked honestly on my thoughts and psychology. But the reality and the physical somatization didn’t change. When I lost hope, I performed a random magic ritual, which I had no knowledge and concept about. and the symptoms disappeared.

Edited Tuesday at 08:44 AM by ZGROPIUS

[Ziran]

5 hours ago, ZGROPIUS said:

Can you make a chest pain go away by thought, hope and the feeling of love? 

Pain can be diminished, remapped, nullified.  Not just through love, but through any pure motive.  It's not magic.  It's making oneself into a "zealot".  

[ZGROPIUS]

On 2026/3/8 at 7:08 AM, ZGROPIUS said:

In reality, an evil sorcerer can control demons to cast spells on people, cultivating demon servants, and commanding demons to possess others, causing illness and misfortune. One can kill demons, use magic to bring good luck, health, and wealth.

 

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

Pain can be diminished, remapped, nullified.  Not just through love, but through any pure motive.  It's not magic.  It's making oneself into a "zealot".  

what pure motive can command devil and kill devil. doing magical spells that affects reality. And to kill people.

This is a exorcism ritual. Women in Vid got possessed by the devil. The socerer said the devil is weak. strong devil can control the body to talk not just fear. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:52 PM by ZGROPIUS

[ZGROPIUS]

In the comments, I saw someone experienced the same experience as I did. The user said she was in the ICU, her organs were failing, and she had difficulty breathing. Doctors told her family that she wouldn’t make it tonight. she was going to die. But after a ritual, everything seized. The Doctors think it’s a miracle. 

My bodily pain was exactly intense. When it happened, I could only lie in bed, with a burning sensation throughout my body and severe dizziness. The pain was so intense that I thought I might need breathing support. Yet at the same time, I believed everything was mental — caused by the psyche, the language system, the unconscious, and thoughts.

Then three years later, after the ritual ended, everything disappeared. When I recall those symptoms now, I think: yes, it doesn’t make sense. The pain was far too intense for the psyche can cause. It doesn’t feel like something that can be explained simply by the idea that language structures project reality.

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, ZGROPIUS said:

what pure motive can command devil and kill devil

"WILL"

[cetus]

14 hours ago, ZGROPIUS said:

When I lost hope, I performed a random magic ritual, which I had no knowledge and concept about. and the symptoms disappeared.

That's the avenue you choose to take to change your reality. If it worked for you than so be it. But NEVER give away your power to change your reality. That's where the true Magic lies. It's all you! It has always been you. All of it.

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:54 PM by cetus

[cetus]

5 hours ago, ZGROPIUS said:

My bodily pain was exactly intense. When it happened, I could only lie in bed, with a burning sensation throughout my body and severe dizziness. The pain was so intense that I thought I might need breathing support. Yet at the same time, I believed everything was mental

Probably a bit of both. Besides for the pain do you ever experience bouts of anxiety?

Edited Tuesday at 11:11 PM by cetus

[ZGROPIUS]

@cetus The instant I was struck by a curse and black magic, I felt as if a needle had been driven into my body. My shoulder felt deeply wrong and unbearable. By instinct I wanted to fling it off, but this time, no matter what I did, I could not shake it off. Immediately after that, my entire back was seized by a searing, violent burn — bitter, rigid, numb — as if my back had petrified into volcanic rock. Cold currents and electric sensations ran through the tips of my limbs. It felt as though my whole skin had been coated with mercury, flowing beneath the surface.

My face went completely stiff and numb, with twitching muscles. My mouth, neck, and tongue were all paralyzed. When I spoke, I sounded like a nutcracker. My chest felt like it was pinned under a massive boulder. Breathing was difficult. My whole body burned,

My entire consciousness was shattered. the only thing left was to close my eyes and endor it

My vision became distorted. The structural volume of what I saw with the naked eye was warped; forms that had once appeared rounded became square, and the proportions of what I saw were altered. By the way, I’m a painter. I developed a stress reaction to sound, and a stress reaction to the mere presence of an image — even a tiny black dot on a sheet of white paper could trigger me.

 

Through all of this, I never went to the hospital. I insisted on believing that it was caused by my own thoughts — that my thoughts themselves had produced it all these pain — and I believed in ideas like: the subject, the subject projects the reality, the Tower of Babel, and so on. For 4 years, I stayed at home full-time doing nothing but trying to resolve my somatization, dealing with my thoughts 365 days a year. I believed that my thoughts had caused it all. I relied on no outside help, no doctor, no medication. Four years — and it was of absolutely no use.

 

Is that enough? If this happened to you, could you casually say that it was something you changed through your own imagination?”

From a logical point of view, why would a person who was living normally suddenly develop such symptoms out of nowhere in a single moment? What is the cause? What kind of mistake in imagination could produce symptoms this intense and life-altering? Why would something like this appear?

 

Edited yesterday at 01:44 AM by ZGROPIUS

[cetus]

23 minutes ago, ZGROPIUS said:

Cold currents and electric sensations ran through the tips of my limbs. It felt as though my whole skin had been coated with mercury, flowing beneath the surface.

Reminds me of chemo. Was your mouth effected too? Did food taste like it was coated with mercury?

Edited yesterday at 02:04 AM by cetus

[ZGROPIUS]

 

@cetus Yes, the way I experienced those symptoms at the time made me think of cancer.

 

[cetus]

38 minutes ago, ZGROPIUS said:

 

@cetus Yes, the way I experienced those symptoms at the time made me think of cancer.

 

Well then. If you ever get cancer, you'll already know what's in store.

Truth is most cancers you may not realize you have until a diagnosis. That's when the real fun starts.

Edited yesterday at 02:28 AM by cetus

[Ziran]

8 hours ago, ZGROPIUS said:

Why would something like this appear?

Most people who are "cursed" are desperate for something to blame.

Edited 17 hours ago by Ziran

[ZGROPIUS]

2 hours ago, Ziran said:

Most people who are "cursed" are desperate for something to blame.

Please don’t be partial. Try speaking about it after you’ve actually experienced things like the I Ching, the Eight Trigrams, and all those spirits and supernatural forces.

You’re not actually canceling the validity of the specific topic of ‘curse or magic’; you’re canceling the validity of Taoism, Christianity, Thai occult practices, and various other religions.

[Ramasta9]

Magic is when you realize you are the architect of your reality and you remember the easter egg you planted at a specific location before you were born and then you find it and remember when you placed it there a thousand lifetimes ago  

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, ZGROPIUS said:

Please don’t be partial. Try speaking about it after you’ve actually experienced things like the I Ching, the Eight Trigrams, and all those spirits and supernatural forces.

Not partial.  Honest.  Take it or leave it.

Name dropping ( I-ching, trigrams, all those spirits and supernatural forces ) like this appears, apologies, ... desperate.

1 hour ago, ZGROPIUS said:

You’re not actually canceling the validity of the specific topic of ‘curse or magic’; you’re canceling the validity of Taoism, Christianity, Thai occult practices, and various other religions.

... unless you don't know what you're talking about.

[Jehovah increases]

You are.

[ZGROPIUS]

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

Not partial.  Honest.  Take it or leave it.

Name dropping ( I-ching, trigrams, all those spirits and supernatural forces ) like this appears, apologies, ... desperate.

... unless you don't know what you're talking about.

whether you believe it or not, modern-day magicians exist in reality. They charge money for their services and can cast spells on others. It’s like taking pain and placing it onto someone else. They can also control the behavior of animals, making them collectively fall ill or become stressed.