Enlightenment

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Oppositionless said:

So your idea of awakening is a materialist's version death / nonexistence? Is that what you're saying?

Nothing is materialistic or spiritual, it's real. What I'm saying is that you can open yourself to what is unlimited, and do it right now. You are the reality in a form, and it's happening exactly right now, you can penetrate in this exact moment, breaking the becoming, the form, and being absolutely open to the totality. 

[Willy Phallicus]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I mean what is inherent beyond the change, what is what changes.

Forgive the gross oversimplification but everything and nothing.  Its all convoluted and paradoxical when you try to actually explain it.  Ultimate Truth can only be experienced.  I know what you're driving at but I'm beyond employing the either/or approach to enlightenment.  

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You, the conscious structure, the human, can open yourself to what you are.

Been there, done that.  I just can't satisfactorily explain what being an infinite miracle is without holding up an inferior signpost which just prompts you to point out how weak my signpost is.

39 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I dont mean knowing or understanding it, but being open to it.

Seems to me like these things go together but whatever works for you.

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Oppositionless said:

@Dodo I feel awareness is only one aspect of God. In some sense it's the most important but it's not the totality. Theres also love, intelligence, imagination, will and others.

im not here to talk about a loaded term like God, I am simply exploring reality like a scientist of direct experience. 

I am noticing that which never changes in my experience and making it the center of my world, just so happens that center has no size and location, its just me. I cant ever run away from it, and I don't need to find it, even if i can't see it as an object of experience.

My "practice" is simply noticing that Im aware and making that more important than anything else, all else is secondary.

Edited Saturday at 10:48 PM by Dodo

[Ramasta9]

Enlightenment in my eyes is being totally aware of the oneness we share, and at the same time playing our individual part without losing awareness of the whole ocean that we truly are. One one becomes fully established in simply being, enlightenment is the natural side-effect. 

 

[VeganAwake]

9 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then you are nothing, and an illusion that is not real.

Exactly and so are you. The body is real, but that which identifies as being the whole of reality is completely unreal.

Nice labels, I don't understand exactly the point of putting those labels but you are free about doing it.

There isn't a point, its just for communication purposes. Just pointers, thats it.

Seems that you use it to put yourself in a let's say better level knowing that you don't exist.

I don't know anything, just clearly saw through the identification game of Ego/Self illusion. There was nothing beneath it........there is literally nothing there......its a trip lol.

I hope you are happy non existing. 

Nobody is happy but the body is definitely way more relaxed.

 

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Nobody is happy but the body is definitely way more relaxed.

Then the body is relaxed, and now is the body who's writing that is relaxed, or you/no you is in some communication with the body and you/nothingness knows that the body is relaxed? How? 

4 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Exactly and so are you. The body is real, but that which identifies as being the whole of reality is completely unreal

Then the body is real but being is unreal. Who decides what is real and unreal? The body? 

[VeganAwake]

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then the body is relaxed, and now is the body who's writing that is relaxed, or you/no you is in some communication with the body and you/nothingness knows that the body is relaxed? How? 

Then the body is real but being is unreal. Who decides what is real and unreal? The body? 

Basically when the self illusion dies, everything just becomes obvious.

The body just feels more relaxed than it did before when it was running around in the matrix of self illusion and doing things according to its conditioned societal upbringing.

Here it's obvious that there is no god or satan; heaven or hell; incarnation or reincarnation; no higher or lower authority or universal purpose or meaning.

It's incredibly easy to recognize that all these beliefs and concepts are just fictional human made stories. 

Religion, spirituality, societal structure..........it's all BS.......totally made up crap.

It's freedom from all that stuff!

It's shocking and hilarious when it's seen clearly!

[Breakingthewall]

9 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

It's incredibly easy to recognize that all these beliefs and concepts are just fictional human made stories. 

Interesting, but there is a knowledge about those false ideas, and any knowledge is something that is happening. For example, the stones doesn't know that reincarnation is false, or the ocean doesn't know that there is not a self. To know it one should know that before was a self, then that that self is an illusion. That, lets say, cloud of knowledge,  perception of the body, of danger, belonging, etc is what we call the self.  it's a form of the reality that is happening now, you can call it illusion if you get happy doing it, but it is a reality that is happening now, despite of the adjectives that you put in it.

Why this reality is happening in that way? Because it's a separation between what is inside and outside. The stones haven't that separation, only the living beings that needs self-preservation have, and then we have, voila, a self. 

Btw, how now you, or whatever, knows the there is not reincarnation? Maybe the reality is happening in 2375 parallel dimensions where vegan awake is developing different personalities, then when you die all of them have to fight in a trial by combat, and the one who survives (I hope it's you) is going to paradise with 72 virgins 

Edited 12 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Ziran]

On 3/6/2026 at 2:59 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is what Ramana Maharshi, Basul, and many others spoke of. Sit in meditation and ask: What am I? What is reality? Don't ask with logic, nor answer with logic, but become the question. Be the question that pierces reality. What is reality?

Nice

On 3/6/2026 at 2:59 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Observe, without mind. What is this? No logic will tell you; forget logic, it is irrelevant. Here and now, in absolute silence, what is this? Without fear, without projection, without any desire other than to see, then forget that desire, because desire leads you to the door but you can't pass with it, it's ultimately a door. 

Feel this moment without borders or bottom, relax all the contraction that defines you as an individual, relax your desire to be you, observe. What is this? Then it opens. You are that. It is unthinkable.

Just do it, it's an action that you have to do, not a realization that you have to know. It's the end of the lack. 

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It's a sponge?

[Dodo]

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Enlightenment is what Ramana Maharshi, Basul, and many others spoke of. Sit in meditation and ask: What am I? What is reality? Don't ask with logic, nor answer with logic, but become the question. Be the question that pierces reality. What is reality?

@Breakingthewall

Absolutely ask those questions. I've been self inquiring for 10-12 years. I am a big Ramana Maharshi fan. I even made a video meditation, voiced by AI on his method, here:

 

Asking "what am I" evolved into "what knows this", "what knows". 

Reality is known, and thats the most incredible thing. What knows reality? Well we can't point to it, but we can be it, not only can be it, we are it. The body and mind are also known, the world is known. Not this, not that, Neti Neti method, the path of exclusion.

"You are the light of this world" - Jesus

The light that allows this to be known. 

 

Notice when you are giving your instructions on the action that brings about "enlightenment" or an "enlightenment experience", you are implying knowing, otherwise you wont be able to experience anything. 

 

In pure self inquiry its very important not to try to change things, but to simply observe and allow whatever is. You are urging people to open up etc, to do some actions, to reach a certain result. I am talking about the self which is there no matter what, so no action is required, no special state is needed, just a noticing of the awareness, noticing of the knowing that knows this moment, no matter what appears in it. 

Pls dont tell me I am speaking to a brick wall 🧱 😀

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Dodo

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Dodo said:

Reality is known, and thats the most incredible thing. What knows reality?

This question is easy to answer, it's a structural, logical, relative question: the one who knows reality is the living organism.

What is a living organism? It's a structure that occurs in the universe which, upon reaching a certain level of complexity, changes phase and separates from the primordial universe, creating its own framework of laws within the laws of the main universe, self-preserving and replicating itself, incessantly increasing in complexity, like everything else in the universe. Patterns upon patterns.

By creating a difference between outside and inside, duality is created, and through this duality, perception occurs. Upon reaching a certain level of complexity, another phase change occurs, and the symbolic mind appears, and this mind can, in addition to perceiving the external perceive the internal, opening itself to its total nature.

Edited 3 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Willy Phallicus]

You gotta get beyond the question of "is this real?"  It's real enough.

The question has always been is what is within you more real than it? If yes, then welcome to the kingdom.  If no, then the dead shall bury the dead.