Enlightenment

[Breakingthewall]

Enlightenment is what Ramana Maharshi, Basul, and many others spoke of. Sit in meditation and ask: What am I? What is reality? Don't ask with logic, nor answer with logic, but become the question. Be the question that pierces reality. What is reality?

Observe, without mind. What is this? No logic will tell you; forget logic, it is irrelevant. Here and now, in absolute silence, what is this? Without fear, without projection, without any desire other than to see, then forget that desire, because desire leads you to the door but you can't pass with it, it's ultimately a door. 

Feel this moment without borders or bottom, relax all the contraction that defines you as an individual, relax your desire to be you, observe. What is this? Then it opens. You are that. It is unthinkable.

Just do it, it's an action that you have to do, not a realization that you have to know. It's the end of the lack. 

[VeganAwake]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then it opens. You are that. It is unthinkable.

Nothingness 

[Breakingthewall]

42 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nothingness 

Nothingness is impossible since you are writing it. You could say that you are an illusion, but an illusion is something. Nothingness is nothingness, then it's not, and reality is. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Mellowmarsh]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nothingness is impossible since you are writing it. You could say that you are an illusion, but an illusion is something. Nothingness is nothingness, then it's not, and reality is. 

All that is not thought is pure nothingness since we can think only thoughts, and all the words we use to speak of things can express only thoughts, to say there is something other than thought is therefore an affirmation which can have no meaning. 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

All that is not thought is pure nothingness since we can think only thoughts, and all the words we use to speak of things can express only thoughts, to say there is something other than thought is therefore an affirmation which can have no meaning. 

Pain isn't a thought, right? Anyway, if there are only thoughts, it's the same; thoughts are something, but what is that something?

[Dodo]

51 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Pain isn't a thought, right? Anyway, if there are only thoughts, it's the same; thoughts are something, but what is that something?

Pain is known, pleasure is known, thoughts are known, seems to be what is common between all stuff is the knowing itself.

I'd go as far to say knowing is the building block of reality - not in the sense of information, but in the sense of recognition of isness. 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Dodo

[Willy Phallicus]

What is reality?

Language fails which is why we are forced into metaphorical allegory but if I may be permitted to indulge in some grotesque metaphysical reductionism like our scientific materialist cults do Id say reality is what an old, bored and lonely god looks like.

[Breakingthewall]

27 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Pain is known, pleasure is known, thoughts are known, seems to be what is common between all stuff is the knowing itself.

I'd go as far to say knowing is the building block of reality - not in the sense of information, but in the sense of recognition of isness. 

 

What all those things you mentioned have in common is that they are. What you, as a spiritual seeker, must do is open yourself to the absolute being. The structure of the issue is very simple; putting it into practice, not so much. 

Knowing is not the building block but a structure that reality takes now by a conscious center, you. Enlightenment means you opening yourself to your true nature. It's not something that you can think, because anything that you can think is structure, not substance. It's how, not what. The point is, what are you? Not a definition, but let's say, substance. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

What is reality?

Language fails which is why we are forced into metaphorical allegory but if I may be permitted to indulge in some grotesque metaphysical reductionism like our scientific materialist cults do Id say reality is what an old, bored and lonely god looks like.

You can't say what is reality as it's essece because reality is reality. You can perceive yourself as essence when everything that is not essential becomes transparent.

Becoming, form, structure, are not essence, are manifestation. You could say that reality is a bored god or anything, but what is a bored god when you stop focusing in its structure, properties, activity, becoming, relationship?  When you open absolutely this exact moment absolutely naked of anything. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Willy Phallicus]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You can't say what is reality

No you can't.  We are a mystery that knows itself by putting a boundary of logic between itself.  Pretty cool, imo.

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could say that reality is a bored god or anything, but what is a bored god when you stop focusing in its structure, properties, activity, becoming, relationship.

It's the same thing Im pointing too minus the label.

"Bored and lonely god" is a made up convenience like time to express something beyond logic.

[Dodo]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What all those things you mentioned have in common is that they are. What you, as a spiritual seeker, must do is open yourself to the absolute being. The structure of the issue is very simple; putting it into practice, not so much. 

Knowing is not the building block but a structure that reality takes now by a conscious center, you. Enlightenment means you opening yourself to your true nature. It's not something that you can think, because anything that you can think is structure, not substance. It's how, not what. The point is, what are you? Not a definition, but let's say, substance. 

I am not a spiritual seeker. What am I? Knowing itself, i know it by being it. 

Enlightenment is opening myself to my true nature? Hellooo, my true nature is knowing, I am knowing 😆 

Is your true nature something other than knowing, and the knowing/consciousness is added on to you as an emergent property? I don't think so lets break this wall down.

Edited 6 hours ago by Dodo

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

No you can't.  We are a mystery that knows itself by putting a boundary of logic between itself.  Pretty cool, imo.

It's not because it's a mystery, it isn't. It's because anything that can be said or thought is an structure. What reality is is not an structure, it's unthinkable. Reality IS. 

4 minutes ago, Dodo said:

Enlightenment is opening myself to my true nature? Hellooo, my true nature is knowing, I am knowing 😆 

Yes and my true nature is seeking sex everywhere. No, that's not your true nature, enlightenment is always the same for everyone. Ramana, Buddha, basul, etc etc pointed it more or less clearly, or tao te ching. The true tao can't be said. 

[Willy Phallicus]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's because anything that can be said or thought is an structure.

I agree, its beyond rationality and logic thus our only recourse to consider it is by metaphor.  Any metaphor or idea one can generate concerning reality is a limitation it is not bound by.  So yeah, no argument from me.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Willy Phallicus said:

I agree, its beyond rationality and logic thus our only recourse to consider it is by metaphor.  Any metaphor or idea one can generate concerning reality is a limitation it is not bound by.  So yeah, no argument from me.

You could say: reality is absolute being. And? It's meaningless. The point is open yourself to it, that's enlightenment 

[Dodo]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not because it's a mystery, it isn't. It's because anything that can be said or thought is an structure. What reality is is not an structure, it's unthinkable. Reality IS. 

Yes and my true nature is seeking sex everywhere. No, that's not your true nature, enlightenment is always the same for everyone. Ramana, Buddha, basul, etc etc pointed it more or less clearly, or tao te ching. The true tao can't be said. 

No itss not, post nut you don't seek sex, but you still are aware. Its the same for everyone. You, me, buddha, basul (whoever that is), we all are united by the light of knowing. 

If you are aware of this conversation, then you are aware. Seeking sex or not seeking sex, you are aware. Clear and simple. I dont understand the resistance, maybe you are not open because your cup is already full with some idea of what enlightenment is 

Verify For yourself, are you aware? Do you know this conversation is taking place, or are you a robot? Awareness is the same for everyone 💜 

Edited 4 hours ago by Dodo

[Willy Phallicus]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's meaningless.

Thank god.  Who wants to be burdened with the demands of universal meaning?

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Willy Phallicus said:

I agree, its beyond rationality and logic thus our only recourse to consider it is by metaphor.  Any metaphor or idea one can generate concerning reality is a limitation it is not bound by.  So yeah, no argument from me.

They say the Truth cant be spoken to see if you really got it, or will just parrot that it cant be spoken 

[Breakingthewall]

48 minutes ago, Dodo said:

They say the Truth cant be spoken to see if you really got it, or will just parrot that it cant be spoken 

The truth can be spoken but means nothing. Absolute being for example is a way to say it. What means absolute being? Being without limit, openess that is because it's open, unlimitedness that is given its unlimitedness, source of any manifestation, totality, no thing that implies everything, etc.

You can open yourself to it now, or not, that's it. It's an action, not something that you can know. If you were open to it a week ago and now you are lost in the density of form, it's meaningless for you.

Edited 2 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Nothingness is impossible since you are writing it. You could say that you are an illusion, but an illusion is something. Nothingness is nothingness, then it's not, and reality is. 

Nothingness was referring to the self-illusion which identifies as being the whole of reality there. 

Another name for that self-illusion is spiritual ego. It's not really there, it's nothingness in disguse as being everything.

Reality doesn't have an identification crisis like conditioned humans. 

That Breakingthewall body over there is a tiny insignificant piece of reality, it's not the whole. 

Laying an illusory blanket of conditioned beliefs overtop of reality to suit the spiritual ego's false agenda, doesn't make it true.

There isn't a "You" in which could be the whole of reality and never will be. I can assure you of this. It's not an opinion, it's a blatant fact.

The self-illusion there has been bamboozled by some kind of egoic spiritual nonsense that sounded good.

That is not Enlightenment.

Thats delusions of a very strong and persistent spiritual ego that will fight tooth and nail to stay in control.

 

The physical bodies that write back and forth on this forum are real, just like deer, bear, rabbit, fox, birds, trees.....etc...etc...

It's that which identifies as being "the whole of reality" which is completely unreal 

[Dodo]

@VeganAwake I believe the vessel's reality is borrowed by the truth, which is the self, awareness, I. 

I don't have problem with BreakingTheWall statements about "absolute being", the only problem is that his vessel has taken a stance of being a teacher and viewing all other vessels as seekers that don't get it. Same light of knowing/truth/being(undeniable direct isness) is shining through.

He says that you need to take an action, when its the default. A flower needs light to grow, it doesn't actively do the growing. It's not an action, its a process powered by the light of Consciousness, the true ever present self. Recognizing awareness is like feeding your growth, not an active doing.

Edited 2 hours ago by Dodo