Veil of being spiritual, god, infinite or being something

[James123]

5 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It's interesting how you say from our perspective.  

 

5 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Love includes kindness.  Just like Truth includes truth.  

For a child, woman, animal, elderly people, of course love is kindness, help, sharing, caring. 

However, if the situation is the person who walks, talks or seems be walking in the path. They need to hear what they need to hear to lead the Truth.

Everything is for Truth, anything is for Truth.

[Joseph Maynor]

35 minutes ago, James123 said:

For a child, woman, animal, elderly people, of course love is kindness, help, sharing, caring. 

However, if the situation is the person who walks, talks or seems be walking in the path. They need to hear what they need to hear to lead the Truth.

Everything is for Truth, anything is for Truth.

I disagree.  I think Love includes love.  Just like Truth contains truth.  

[James123]

15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I disagree.  I think Love includes love.  Just like Truth contains truth.  

Of course it does. But, real love is not only love that you assume. That's just a piece of it.

There was a man who was enlightened, a Sufi master whom everyone respected deeply. Many people begged him to accept them as his students, but he refused them all. He had no disciples and showed no interest in teaching anyone.

One day, however, a man came who would not leave. Day after day, he stood at the master’s door, pleading to be accepted. When his requests were ignored, he slept outside the master’s house. He remained there for days, unmoving, unwavering. At last, the Sufi master opened the door and accepted him as a student.

On the very first day, the master said, “This is your duty: you will wear the dress of a seductive woman and walk through the entire town like this, all day long.”

The student was shocked and confused. He said, “Master, I thought we would pray, meditate, and practice dhikr.”

The master smiled and replied, “No. The path is not about prayer or meditation. The path is about destroying everything that makes you you.”

[Mellowmarsh]

19 hours ago, Ziran said:

Consider?  Again, most respectfully?

The reasoning above is not different from any other dogmatic indoctrination.

Difference where there is none. Many authors appear. But there’s only one reader reading what no one ever writ. 

[Ziran]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

Love is not the action of kindness. Love is the action of to tell the truth, leading to Truth.

Changing the subject concedes the point.  

14 hours ago, James123 said:

So much bullshit. Surrender. Pu..y.

Don't worry I am not telling you I am telling to ziran. 

What do you know about ziran?

[Ziran]

2 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Difference where there is none. Many authors appear. But there’s only one reader reading what no one ever writ. 

There's many readers and one reader.  Both simultaenously.

[Ziran]

12 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

Love includes kindness.  Just like Truth includes truth.  

Love can be kind, love can be cruel.  Just like truth.

[Ziran]

Love is healthy, respectful "outreaching".

[Ziran]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

 if the situation is the person who walks, talks or seems be walking in the path. They need to hear what they need to hear to lead the Truth.

Quoted for emphasis.  This is significant.

[Mellowmarsh]

21 hours ago, Ziran said:

There's many readers and one reader.  Both simultaenously.

“Simultaneously” implies a two way mirror - where one side is unaware of the other side. 
 

Signifying the end of knowing. 
 

Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Not to confuse illusion as non existent, but as unknowable.

You can’t know you know because you are the knowing that cannot be known.

[Ziran]

4 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

“Simultaneously” implies a two way mirror - where one side is unaware of the other side. 

Not necessarily.   There's different ways of Reflecting.  Reflecting within an ocean is different than reflecting within a mirror.

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Knowledge can only point to the illusory nature of reality. Not to confuse illusion as non existent, but as unknowable.

Yes.  Geometrically, "knowing" is modeled as a point.  Specific and well defined.  

In contrast, "understanding" manifests as a cloud.

Knowing a collection of relevant tangential facts *surrounding and pointing towards* the target of inquiry cultivates "understanding".

One can learn a lot about her majesty's treasures by watching the way she's guarding them.

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You can’t know you know because you are the knowing that cannot be known.

Unless the "you" is in motion.  Then knowing it means "following the trend" and the trend can be known by the knower.

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[Mellowmarsh]

@Ziran Okay, thanks for your perspective on the matter. 🙂

[James123]

6 hours ago, Ziran said:

Not necessarily.   There's different ways of Reflecting.  Reflecting within an ocean is different than reflecting within a mirror.

Yes.  Geometrically, "knowing" is modeled as a point.  Specific and well defined.  

In contrast, "understanding" manifests as a cloud.

Knowing a collection of relevant tangential facts *surrounding and pointing towards* the target of inquiry cultivates "understanding".

One can learn a lot about her majesty's treasures by watching the way she's guarding them.

Unless the "you" is in motion.  Then knowing it means "following the trend" and the trend can be known by the knower.

All these is knowledge, based on experience, depends on perspective, belief.

Fucking bullshit.