Veil of being spiritual, god, infinite or being something

[James123]

57 minutes ago, Ziran said:

Perception is being shaped by expectation.  The shaping is internal.  Because of this, it can be observed in isolation.  This simple fact escapes the tautology.

If there is such thing as observation, there is an observer and observed.

Observer, observation or not observing, not observation is matrix. 

Forget everything.

[Ziran]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

If there is such thing as observation, there is an observer and observed.

Observer, observation or not observing, not observation is matrix. 

Forget everything.

unsubstatiated denial is .... nevermind

[Mellowmarsh]

16 hours ago, Ziran said:

... imagine a ladder on the ground reaching up, up, up into the clouds.  I don't need to know how tall the ladder is to understand that the ladder is "tall".

It's like that

There’s nothing to understand. A concept is known, and the known knows nothing.

[Mellowmarsh]

12 hours ago, James123 said:

Forget everything.

This happens automatically. Everything that appears disappears instantly in the exact same moment.

Reality is unwritten, apparently rewriting what is ultimately unwritten as a false overlay.

Which makes it all BS .. I agree.

[Ziran]

3 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s nothing to understand. A concept is known, and the known knows nothing.

Contrary to popular belief, knowing isn't the only form of cognition.

[Joseph Maynor]

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

Contrary to popular belief, knowing isn't the only form of cognition.

I agree.  Feeling is an aspect of cognition for me.  Also intuition.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 hours ago, Ziran said:

Contrary to popular belief, knowing isn't the only form of cognition.

Nothing knows this.

[Ziran]

45 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I agree.  Feeling is an aspect of cognition for me.  Also intuition.

Yes, thank you.  Good examples, empathy and epiphany

[Ziran]

40 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Nothing knows this.

nothing = everything

[Ziran]

7 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s nothing to understand. A concept is known, and the known knows nothing.

There's everything to understand.

A concept is known, and the known knows everything.

[VeganAwake]

When the self illusion/me is dying (nothing actually dies because it isn't real) it desperately attempts to identity as something it has learned about from the matrix......like higher self, infinite consciousness, true self, the self, god....etc....etc

See, it doesn't want to go bye bye. It wants to be the knower, it wants to be enlightened, it wants to be special.

This new illusory identity is often referred to as spiritual ego.

But when this silly fiasco/identity crisis of illusion is CLEARLY seen through.......there isn't any energy left to sustain its new illusory identification. The veil has been lifted........there is nothing left to uphold this new attempted self construct.

The body can feel very disoriented or ungrounded.......like free floating.

Its freedom from the sticky/needy self illusion.........but it isn't for anyone!

Nobody becomes enlightened and is now walking around identified as an enlightened being........if his is the case, the self illusion is still fully intact.

 

It requires crystal clear recognition for that identification energy to dissipate fully!

It's very rare. It can feel like a death of sorts. The dream story/matrix never was.

Later it's recognized that nothing actually happened.

Something that was never real from the start dies essentially......which equates to = nothing happened.

What remains is nothing being everything and everything being nothing, as it always was.

Edited 2 hours ago by VeganAwake

[Ziran]

Because empty-space is an illusion, nothing is something.