Pain, God’s favourite key to Love + ?

[thierry]

I’ve been reflecting on suffering, and I sense that there is something profoundly deep about it. Many spiritual teachers claim that suffering is merely a concept. I understand what they mean, yet I don’t believe suffering can be reduced to that alone. There is something undeniably profound in it.

 

Someone once said that suffering is the only real thing. I used to dismiss that as neither wise nor insightful, but now I’m not so sure. Perhaps there is truth in it.

 

In many spiritual circles today, it has become almost fashionable to say, ‘I am God.’ It’s repeated so often that it turns into a kind of social belief. But when people speak of God, they often imagine something greater than themselves something purer, more absolute.

 

What if the opposite were true? What if the human being is, in a sense, more than God?

 

A human being is God encountering limits. A human being is God pressing against the edge of what is possible. When a person reaches exhaustion, it is not simply human weakness it is God arriving at the frontier of His own experience. And sometimes, through the human, even that frontier is surpassed.

 

To be human is not to fall short of the divine. It is to be the very movement through which the divine explores, stretches, and transcends itself.

 

So when you suffer and still find the courage to feel that suffering fully, you are not merely touching infinity. You are infinity itself, standing at the edge of its own unfolding.

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P.S.: To be clear, I’m not talking about unnecessary or avoidable suffering. Many kinds of suffering should be avoided. I’m talking about the kind that comes from exploring reality deeply even its darkest parts. I don’t mean being careless or putting ourselves in painful situations for no reason. I mean suffering that comes from genuine exploration and experience.

 

[kavaris]

Ρ P ain. Its a weird one. It is akin to some other things, in how they are a hard nut to crack. One that comes to mind is that like, whats that thing where love is like *at the seat if everything, or like it transcends mental and physical (i guess we just call that "love", woopsy) But, anyway, Its like, these are things that sit between, what is it, physiological properties, and metaphysical. Like its just pointing to those things that are themselves so poingnantly undeniable, yet you cant really put your finger on it. Like, to me, pain encompasses so much, like not just in that it can mean anything to anyone, but that its like, a place that you can go to, like... You receive the Pain, by accident, like, you receive the gift of an unfortunate place. Like "your fortune was bad that day", and in receving sad bad fortune, you get a chance to turn it around, or continue the trend. When pain hits it cascades, so like, if we were tryina end the world, wed jus piss everyone off such that everyone is in a neverending cascade of discomfort and dis-ease. Like, pain jumps ships, it hops in and wipes out your Civilization IV. Like its the game you didnt know you were Not tryina play, rather he had avoided,  til you played it -kindve thing.

Edited Sunday at 10:36 AM by kavaris

[kavaris]

@thierry   Now, if what you mean instead is Satan or Hell, and that end of the spectrum, thats like the frolicking field of new possibilities and Magic. Like, thats actually where things start to dabble in true love and beauty, where creativity sometimes, or often begin. Satan is like, the dark knight in a sense, master of magic and love and these sorts of things. until it gets played out, where it sortve dies down, and then God becomes interesting again, thats like the cycle to those types of things.

[Yimpa]

On 2/14/2026 at 11:35 PM, thierry said:

I’m talking about the kind that comes from exploring reality deeply even its darkest parts.

Yep, when you strategically process that in higher states of awareness that will really grow you.