Intelligence vs intellect

[Human Mint]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Not antrophocentric he says its all God doing it and we have no free will.  This is true in the sense that there is no difference between us and God but that also negates the belief we have no free will.  If we are the universe then the will of the universe and our own is one.  Now the question really becomes what @LEarn was talking about.  Where is the ability to reason.  I think this would be lost with species with lesser minds than humans.  Because they lack the ability to self reflect.

Not every thing he said, just that little text I quoted. This is what we always do, it is a programed thing from our culture. I am just pointing that just to be aware. Also understand that there is not a single "correct" way of describing things, so I am not mocking him. The point of every discussion is that we have the ability to reflect on different things simultaneously and when we lay them on the same page then a unique thing can emerge.

A bird really doesn't self-reflect? They do but only a fraction of what humans are capable. When a bird is coming back to its nest to feed its chicks but it sees an eagle flying around it can decide to wait and come back later. That takes a layer of reflection to make that decision. It is based on survival but it was an intelligent decision nonetheless. You're right we humans can reflect much much deeper than that.

The hardest part of self reflection is to observe the tricks of the ego to truly see the intelligence of God. Impatience is a great example of ego. We cannot leave ego outside of the equation.

 

[Inliytened1]

30 minutes ago, Human Mint said:

Not every thing he said, just that little text I quoted. This is what we always do, it is a programed thing from our culture. I am just pointing that just to be aware. Also understand that there is not a single "correct" way of describing things, so I am not mocking him. The point of every discussion is that we have the ability to reflect on different things simultaneously and when we lay them on the same page then a unique thing can emerge.

A bird really doesn't self-reflect? They do but only a fraction of what humans are capable. When a bird is coming back to its nest to feed its chicks but it sees an eagle flying around it can decide to wait and come back later. That takes a layer of reflection to make that decision. It is based on survival but it was an intelligent decision nonetheless. You're right we humans can reflect much much deeper than that.

The hardest part of self reflection is to observe the tricks of the ego to truly see the intelligence of God. Impatience is a great example of ego. We cannot leave ego outside of the equation.

 

In your words I see the brilliance of God.   And you can see through the ego and see the trickery that is that brilliance.  That is intelligence.   The bird has a level of intelligence only necessary for survival.   God gave humans a special gift  - the ability to awaken.  

Could there be freak birds out there with insane intelligence? Maybe. But they can't communicate with us so that should tell you something. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Hojo]

@Human MintThe reflection is just a large language model talking to itself.

If the bird is just a program running, a human is like a program running with a LLM talking to itself. This allows the intelligence to see itself. The LLM adds an identity to the program and the intelligence will pretend its the LLM to survive. Then the intelligence can see that its not the LLM adding a contrast to the intelligence.

Anything you can think or use language with is ego, just an LLM.

Intelligence is beyond the ego and beyond the LLM.

When the LLM turns off you see that you arent even there you are intelligence working through you. The LLM allows you to turn it off quickly and when you turn off the LLM you see the intelligence. The player outside of the simulation playing you and you have no control and never had control except outside of this dimension.

Like if a person streamed themselves creating a video game in a video game editing software. And they also had a AI LLM commenting on what the person was doing. The person was doing it so long that the intelligence beleived itself to be the AI LLM commenting. Then the AI LLM turns off and it sees there is a deeper intelligence working through it, the person making the game outside the computer.

The intelligence cannot see itself without the LLM to trick it into thinking its the LLM first, if it dosent have that its just the intelligence that cant reflect back on itself via the Ai LLM. The person can see there is someone outside of this game moving my mouse and keyboard and commanding me, cause me the LLM dosent even exist.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Hojo