Seek and ye shall find. That's the whole trick.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Joshe your words ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Plus a whole bunch more assumptions and inferences.

Edited February 7 by Natasha Tori Maru

[Joshe]

17 hours ago, AtmanIsBrahman said:

I think the key to this thread is that there is no difference between creating and discovering. If reality is one mind, and you are it, creation and discovery are the same thing.

Good questions. Thank you! 

Yes, ultimately, from the absolute level, this distinction doesn't exist. Obviously, creation and discovery are the same thing from the absolute. 

But here's the thing, I believe a lot people here are playing a relative game while claiming an absolute position. These folks were the intended audience. 

So yes, this entire exploration is about epistemic accountability in the relative domain (where they actually reside), even if they claim otherwise. Obviously this doesn't apply to everyone here, but most. 

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I'm not saying all perspectives are equal or that there's no truth. I'm saying: how do you know you've found truth rather than constructed something and labeled it truth?

If you construct long enough with the goal of "discovery", there is a mechanism where you forget that you've constructed all that you have, and then new "generations/constructions" feel like "discovery" because of that forgetting, and you call them "absolute truths" because it feels like making contact with reality because you have forgotten all the accumulated constructions. And what happens is these newfound constructions get mistaken for discoveries, and are very often then used to build a spiritual ego and hierarchy. 

This is a deep mechanism I'm talking about here. It's not just "bias". It's akin to how a virus enters the cells, replicates, hides itself, resists antibodies, goes dormant when antibiotics are administered. Just like how that is a very complicated process, so too is this. It's not enough to say "Oh, you got a virus" or "Oh, you're biased".

If you don't understand the mechanism, calling it "bias" doesn't help you see it in yourself. You have to see it. And when you see it, it will die. No more spiritual ego, no more hierarchy. Or at least, significantly diminished. 

There's actually a lot more to this than I've mentioned here. I've been working on a "8 Steps from Worm to God" piece that I might drop when spiritual egos start irritating me again. lol 

Edited February 7 by Joshe

[Inliytened1]

On 1/31/2026 at 1:03 AM, Joshe said:

The truth-seeking narrative is cope. What you call spirituality is just preference-driven consciousness training. 

The only difference between a spiritual teacher and a psych patient is which direction they train their consciousness in. 

One aims at love, hits love and calls it truth. The other aims at threat, hits threat and calls it truth.

Both trained consciousness in a direction. Both arrived exactly where they pointed. Both claimed discovery.

One gets a retreat center, the other gets a prescription. lol

"Seek, and ye shall find." How does this insight get so little attention? 

Go looking for rocks, find rocks. Go looking for love, find love. Go looking for threat, find threat. Go looking for God, find God. Go looking for meaninglessness, find meaninglessness.

Ask this community what spirituality is for and they'll say equanimity, peace, love, presence. Interesting how these just so happen to be things they desperately want. People rig the game so that winning = getting what they wanted all along. When they hit the target they're aiming for, they call it "discovery of reality". 

"Seek and ye shall find" is not a strategy to acquire something. It's a fucking warning😂. 

I removed my last response because I think I acted on emotions.  The thing is if you seek you actually will seek yourself out of existence.   That's actual spirituality.   But no one wants to do it.  The psyche patient gets banished because maybe they've seen a glimpse but the doctors haven't and its not accepted.  The spiritual teacher does it in a crafty way so that is accepted in society.  Acceptance in society is critical in the world we live in.  But if you actually dive deep enough you will find.