Quote of the day by Alan Watts .

[Someone here]

"There is a story about a great sage, Narada, who came to Vishnu.
When Narada came to Vishnu, he said, ‘What is the secret of your Maya?’ And Vishnu took him and threw him into a pool.
The moment he fell under the water he was born as a princess in a very great family, and went through all the experiences of childhood as a little girl. She finally married a prince from another kingdom and went to live with him in his kingdom. They lived there in tremendous prosperity, with palaces and peacocks, but suddenly there was a war and their kingdom was attacked and utterly destroyed. The prince himself was killed in battle, and he was cremated. As a dutiful wife, the princess was about to throw herself weeping on to the funeral pyre and burn herself in an act of Sati, or self-sacrifice.  But suddenly, Narada woke to find himself being pulled out of the pool by his hair by Vishnu, who said: 'For whom were you weeping?’"

So, that is the idea of the whole world being a magical illusion, but done so skillfully-by whom? By you, basically. Not 'you' the empirical ego, not 'you' who is just a kind of focus of conscious attention with memories that are strung together into what you call 'my everyday self.' Rather, it is the 'you' that is responsible for growing your hair, coloring your eyes, arranging the shape of your bones. The deeply responsible 'you' is what is responsible for all this."

-Alan Watts

Edited 8 hours ago by Someone here

[Michal__]

Sounds like a good salvia trip...

[Someone here]

@Michal__ It's hindu mythology.  The dudes who founded the whole thing .

[Michal__]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Michal__ It's hindu mythology.  The dudes who founded the whole thing .

I know.

[BlueOak]

Universally there is no separation between the me growing my hair and the me sweating now as I lift weights; the river running or air running through my hair, the me at work counting money, the light travelling to hit a rock ten billion lightyears away so I can see it a certain way, or the me reading this right now.

There is no illusion. 
Just this.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Universally there is no separation between the me growing my hair and the me sweating now as I lift weights; the river running or air running through my hair, the me at work counting money, the light travelling to hit a rock ten billion lightyears away so I can see it a certain way, or the me reading this right now.

There is no illusion. 
Just this.

There is separation and there isn't simultaneously.  Narada was dreaming . A dream is both real and illusion. 

[BlueOak]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

There is separation and there isn't simultaneously.  Narada was dreaming . A dream is both real and illusion. 

You can decide anything is separated or not.

[Someone here]

13 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

You can decide anything is separated or not.

Yes and no . Not trying to be cheeky. 

[BlueOak]

20 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes and no.

Okay let's explore that.

If the mind is in an altered state enough to put the ego aside and give you a subconscious message, is this separated?
Or
If the mind is undergoing a simple processing dream about the day, we have many of these, is this separated?
Or
You are exploring a different version of reality to see if you can exist within it, or experience a more severe lesson of a problem you have so the 'real' one is not as hard to handle for your nervous system, is this separated?

None of these, to me, are separated from the universe (You in a verse or your inner verse) or from what I would call the experience of life.

Edited 7 hours ago by BlueOak

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Okay let's explore that.

If the mind is in an altered state enough to put the ego aside and give you a subconscious message, is this separated?
Or
If the mind is undergoing a simple processing dream about the day, we have many of these, is this separated?
Or
You are exploring a different version of reality to see if you can exist within it, or experience a more severe lesson of a problem you have so the 'real' one is not as hard to handle for your nervous system, is this separated?

None of these, to me, are separated from the universe (You in a verse or your inner verse) or from what I would call the experience of life.

A "you " experiencing  an "X" is already separation right off the ground.