Belief systems

[UnbornTao]

21 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

I understand the point you made, but when you use the word think, do you mean thinking in the rational way? because that's what I usually refere when I say "thinking"
Believing is not a rational process, 
instead of "we think we know"
I would say something like "we imagine we know" or "we create an unreal story and take it as true"

What do you consider to be true?

Start there.

A great deal, if not most, of what comes to mind in response is likely to be belief.

Contrast that with a first-hand, personal experience of the reality of something.

[UnbornTao]

21 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

Remeber that mhe mind has many tricks to fool itself! 

I think not that many people recognize the untrue nature of their beliefs, primarily because they are useful to them. 

Recognizing that the beliefs you hold as true, are not true, leaves you nowhere. Can you stand being nowhere?

Definitely, it's like undressing, leaving yourself naked, with nothing to hold on to. This can feel quite uncomfortable and vulnerable.

We find solace in our beliefs. And thank God.

Edited Friday at 12:24 AM by UnbornTao

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@PolyPeter You may enjoy a lot of Peter Ralston (if you have not already heard of him).

His delivery is forceful, emotive, passionate and earnest. Candid. Some cannot get past that. But if you can, he has a lot to say about beliefs.

It is an asset to be able to make a distinction between a truth and a belief. Regardless, both are an asset/have use. In my opinion

 

[Ramasta9]

A long time ago i read the words "believing is not enough, we must know". Everything changed from that moment on.

 

 

[PolyPeter]

On 1/22/2026 at 9:19 PM, UnbornTao said:

What do you consider to be true?

I consider Truth to be true.

 

Truth is Consciousness.

Consciousness is God.

God is Absolute Infinity.

Absolute Infinity, is different from Infinity alone, because It contains all possible infinites within it.

Absolute Infinite is the source from which all other possible infinite universes come from. In a way, that this resonates with the Everet multiverse theory, but with a catch, in this case, all this infinite universes are connected to each other by the imagination of the Absolute Infinity, meaning, the distinction between this lower level infinities, is made by God.

 

There is only one Truth. 

Out of which, all sorts of flavors of "trueness" get imagined.

I think this answer the question of what I consider to be true

 

All possible states of Consciousness are not absolutley true, they are true relative to the density levels of that particular consciousness localization. Dogs take their context as their source of true, and their instincts lead the way. A human might expand this source of true into a more abstract and conceptual domain. 

 

I think that there is an interesting distinction that a human can make after awakening, which is, Absolute Truth vs Relative Truth.

 

Absolute Truth = God = Absolute Infinity

 

Relative truth = realm of appearances = feeling great = feeling sad = thinking about food = thinking about rent = going for a run = sleeping = breathing

 

Absolute means ever present

Relative means at some point it ends

[UnbornTao]

8 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

I consider Truth to be true.

 

Truth is Consciousness.

Consciousness is God.

God is Absolute Infinity.

Absolute Infinity, is different from Infinity alone, because It contains all possible infinites within it.

Absolute Infinite is the source from which all other possible infinite universes come from. In a way, that this resonates with the Everet multiverse theory, but with a catch, in this case, all this infinite universes are connected to each other by the imagination of the Absolute Infinity, meaning, the distinction between this lower level infinities, is made by God.

 

There is only one Truth. 

Out of which, all sorts of flavors of "trueness" get imagined.

I think this answer the question of what I consider to be true

 

All possible states of Consciousness are not absolutley true, they are true relative to the density levels of that particular consciousness localization. Dogs take their context as their source of true, and their instincts lead the way. A human might expand this source of true into a more abstract and conceptual domain. 

 

I think that there is an interesting distinction that a human can make after awakening, which is, Absolute Truth vs Relative Truth.

 

Absolute Truth = God = Absolute Infinity

 

Relative truth = realm of appearances = feeling great = feeling sad = thinking about food = thinking about rent = going for a run = sleeping = breathing

 

Absolute means ever present

Relative means at some point it ends

And this is (most likely) a belief system.

[PolyPeter]

On 1/19/2026 at 1:37 PM, UnbornTao said:

What do you take for granted about any aspect of reality?

In the relative domain, I still make functional assumptions, I assume the laws of physics will hold, I assume my body needs food, I assume language can communicate meaning. But I hold these lightly. They're tools for navigating this particular dream, not beliefs I'm emotionally attached to.

 

Like a car, you use it to go somewhere, not as a part of your identity. 

Edited 9 hours ago by PolyPeter

[PolyPeter]

3 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

And this is (most likely) a belief system.

can you elaborate?

[UnbornTao]

24 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

can you elaborate?

It is likely to be hearsay - something you've heard from others that you haven't personally experienced. It's a bit like religion. The fact is that no direct experience of the truth has been had; only an adopted idea.

[UnbornTao]

28 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

In the relative domain, I still make functional assumptions, I assume the laws of physics will hold, I assume my body needs food, I assume language can communicate meaning. But I hold these lightly. They're tools for navigating this particular dream, not beliefs I'm emotionally attached to.

 

Like a car, you use it to go somewhere, not as a part of your identity. 

Yes, this is functional, maybe even necessary to a degree.

[PolyPeter]

39 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

It is likely to be hearsay - something you've heard from others that you haven't personally experienced. It's a bit like religion. The fact is that no direct experience of the truth has been had; only an adopted idea.

Ok. but are you open to the idea that I am actually saying the things from within personal experience?

How could you ever know? 

I've told my story on dmt, but it does not seem to be enough for you.

What would it take from me to say to you, for you to realize I am no bullshitting you?

 

Have you ever done dmt? how enlightened do you know you are?

[PolyPeter]

40 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Yes, this is functional, maybe even necessary to a degree.

yes, to humans

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, PolyPeter said:

Ok. but are you open to the idea that I am actually saying the things from within personal experience?

How could you ever know? 

I've told my story on dmt, but it does not seem to be enough for you.

What would it take from me to say to you, for you to realize I am no bullshitting you?

 

Have you ever done dmt? how enlightened do you know you are?

It could be, but I'm not holding my breath. Talk is cheap.

And yeah - if you're talking about a drug experience, it's most likely something you're just making up in your own mind.

It's not about bullshitting others so much as deluding yourself about what you actually went through. Being a charlatan is all too easy - and it can be smelled from miles away.

There isn't really any meaningful relationship between the drugs you take and how enlightened you think you are - except in your own mind. So I disagree with your main premise.

 

Edited 5 hours ago by UnbornTao

[PolyPeter]

33 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

So I disagree with your main premise.

My main premise being that Truth is true?

[UnbornTao]

22 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

My main premise being that Truth is true?

That what you said about the absolute and the rest is something other than hearsay and second-hand knowledge.

[PolyPeter]

On 1/22/2026 at 10:23 PM, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You may enjoy a lot of Peter Ralston (if you have not already heard of him).

His delivery is forceful, emotive, passionate and earnest. Candid. Some cannot get past that. But if you can, he has a lot to say about beliefs.

It is an asset to be able to make a distinction between a truth and a belief. Regardless, both are an asset/have use. In my opinion

@Natasha Tori Maru  Peter Ralston is amazing! very clear and direct. thanks for sharing this videos, I didn't know they existed.

I saw the interview Leo made to him.

[PolyPeter]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

it's most likely something you're just making up in your own mind.

Precisley like this particular dream, but now think about "this reality" as the dream of God.

[UnbornTao]

10 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

Precisley like this particular dream, but now think about "this reality" as the dream of God.

Sure. I was just inviting us to be grounded and admit what our everyday experience is actually like, despite our conceptions about it.

[PolyPeter]

2 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Sure. I was just inviting us to be grounded and admit what our everyday experience is actually like, despite our conceptions about it.

everyday experience, most of the time

[UnbornTao]

3 minutes ago, PolyPeter said:

everyday experience, most of the time

I'm going to remain skeptical about it, if you don't mind.