The Democratic Leadership is Still Playing Not to Lose

[Elliott]

If I take a girl to a McDonald's, I MYSELF failed, not Barney's 5 star bistro.

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

This is what we're arguing. The voters FAILED.

To do what? They voted for who they wanted and got it.

[Elliott]

Just now, Raze said:

To do what? They voted for who they wanted and got it.

To think, AT ALL. To take their date to Martinellis Steakhouse vs McDonalds. Do you think Democrats didn't advertise and campaign, are you on drugs?

[Raze]

Just now, Elliott said:

To think, AT ALL. To take their date to Martinellis Steakhouse vs McDonalds. Do you think Democrats didn't advertise and campaign, are you on drugs?

No, they just did so in an incompetent fashion. Same with many aspects of their governance, hence turning voters against them. Like what republicans are doing now. 

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Raze said:

No, they just did so in an incompetent fashion. Same with many aspects of their governance, hence turning voters against them. Like what republicans are doing now. 

So, you admit socialists like sanders are even more incompetent.

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

So, you admit socialists like sanders are even more incompetent.

Depends on the ideal possibilities of success and how closely they got to them. 

[Elliott]

Just now, Raze said:

Depends on the ideal possibilities of success and how closely they got to them. 

🤣

[Raze]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

🤣

This is basic reasoning 

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Raze said:

This is basic reasoning 

"Democrats lost because they're weak" "socialists lose because democrats are too powerful"

More like basic denial

'Socialists just need to sell it better!' "Hot dog, get your hot dog!"

Edited 1 hour ago by Elliott

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

"Democrats lost because they're weak" "socialists lose because democrats are too powerful"

More like basic denial

'Socialists just need to sell it better!'

Both are true.

Socialists failed to sell themselves in many ways,

However incompetence isn’t just about winning, there are other factors.

If there is an election between a candidate who polls at 1% and another who polls at 99%, then the result is 49% and 51% respectively, the loser was far more competent than the winner who bungled his lead. Still not enough to overcome the odds.

Sanders fought an uphill battle and gained ground but lost.

Democrats had the advantage and screwed it up.

[Kid A]

Very interesting discussion. If @Elliott could just stop being an ass… Just like yesterday with the discussion about whether TV is realistic or not.

[Elliott]

@Raze @Kid A let's play out your mental charade

What EXACTLY, give a specific thing that Democrats should have done to convince more people to buy happy meals?

 

Here's things they should have done differently

-Biden never run in 2024

-no vaccine mandate

-kept student loan forgiveness more quiet, not celebrate it

-something very hard to predict, they should have waited on the bipartisan infrastructure spending, they over compensated to dampen the recession. This contributed to inflation, although probably marginally. 

-cut defense spending

 

Here's things they should NOT have done which I believe you're implying

- promise fantastical socialist programs(not going to happen, even if mamdani becomes president)

 

These empty promises, like we will all get the joy of publicly humiliating about with Mamdani, BACKFIRE and cause long term distrust and you get another Trump in 10 years.

You're suggesting LYING to win

"Get ya hot dog!" ...... "hey mother fucker, there's no hot dog in this bun", yelp review still 10 years later 0 stars for Raze's Dogs

Socialists think they're playing 5d chess by shitting in the middle of the chess board, a 5 year old child "I win!". You guys are so super-intelligent that you can't defeat a 90 year old alzheimers patient that in YOUR words can't sell crack to crackheads.

The only thing that's been offered in this thread is a nebulous pseudo-intellectual "dEmOcRaTs aRE dA wOrStEst!!!!"It was suggested let Cory booker lead and adopt an fdr message, those are the silver bullets that break the rust belt voter eh? 🙄"we need a better mommy to promise to mommy us"

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