The Great Bernadette Roberts

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, RisingLane said:

The part I really don't agree with is this (from The Real Christ):

In my opinion, that's the weakest paragraph she's ever written.

God knows nothing about good or bad. Good or bad are distortions. God knows oneness. We all know good and bad right? and in that we are sadly mistaken. They don't exist. To no longer judge good and bad is the way back to God. Don't see good, don't see bad, see God instead. Do you understand? That's the practice. Jesus was the first we know of who did this. He saw God everywhere and thus was able to do miraculous deeds at will. I need to see God, to know God, to act like God. As BR says, we are no different from Jesus. Because God doesn't make people and personalities; God makes sameness and blank-slates everywhere. She is absolutely right.

Edited yesterday at 03:41 PM by gettoefl

[RisingLane]

9 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

God knows nothing about good or bad. Good or bad are distortions. God knows oneness. We all know good and bad right? and in that we are sadly mistaken. They don't exist. To no longer judge good and bad is the way back to God. Don't see good, don't see bad, see God instead. That's the practice. Jesus was the first we know of who did this. He saw God everywhere and thus was able to do miraculous deeds at will. I need to see God, to know God, to act like God. As BR says, we are no different from Jesus.

I understand your point, but the idea that "man determines his own person by his own free will" strikes me as incorrect.

Did Hitler truly shape himself? Did Jesus do anything other than fulfill his predetermined path? "Not my will, but yours be done."

Jesus wasn’t even born into the egoic state of consciousness, so why should he be given credit?

[gettoefl]

5 minutes ago, RisingLane said:

I understand your point, but the idea that "man determines his own person by his own free will" strikes me as incorrect.

Did Hitler truly shape himself? Did Jesus do anything other than fulfill his predetermined path? "Not my will, but yours be done."

Jesus wasn’t even born into the egoic state of consciousness, so why should he be given credit?

I edited some clarifications above. Society is what conditions and programs. Everyone is actually the same and can choose to be Jesus or Hitler or anywhere in between. It's all a choice and all up to each person.

Edited yesterday at 03:50 PM by gettoefl

[RisingLane]

26 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

I edited some clarifications above. Society is what conditions and programs. Everyone is actually the same and can choose to be Jesus or Hitler or anywhere in between. It's all a choice and all up to each person.

Alright, if that's the case, I want to be Jesus.

More than anything in this life, I desire no-self, but apparently, it's not an easy path. Even Roberts needed 20 years in the marketplace stage.

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, RisingLane said:

Alright, if that's the case, I want to be Jesus.

More than anything in this life, I desire no-self, but apparently, it's not an easy path. Even Roberts needed 20 years in the marketplace stage.

The basic wider practice is to say, no this is false, to everything that appears. Every appearance, positive or negative, is hiding God. Deny every arising appearance. You say inwardly: I am being deceived and I don't know what this here truly means. I am willing to see differently. Now keep quiet and wait until your perception is healed and God is revealed. This is the first miracle that is allowed. Heal everything similarly until God is all you see.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, RisingLane said:

Alright, if that's the case, I want to be Jesus.

More than anything in this life, I desire no-self, but apparently, it's not an easy path. Even Roberts needed 20 years in the marketplace stage.

All Roberts did was reach a meditative state of dissolution of the subject-object, nothing exceptional, and then issue assessments filtered through her Christian bias, as if they were absolute truths

Edited 23 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[RisingLane]

45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

All Roberts did was reach a meditative state of dissolution of the subject-object, nothing exceptional, and then issue assessments filtered through her Christian bias, as if they were absolute truths

The permanent cessation of the self goes beyond merely achieving a meditative state or the dissolution of the subject-object distinction. The self encompasses the entire system of consciousness, and experiencing its irreversible shutdown is truly exceptional. While many individuals may reach a state of no-ego, few seem to attain a state of no-self.

[RisingLane]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

The basic wider practice is to say, no this is false, to everything that appears. Every appearance, positive or negative, is hiding God. Deny every arising appearance. You say inwardly: I am being deceived and I don't know what this here truly means. I am willing to see differently. Now keep quiet and wait until your perception is healed and God is revealed. This is the first miracle that is allowed. Heal everything similarly until God is all you see.

Thank you!

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, RisingLane said:

The permanent cessation of the self goes beyond merely achieving a meditative state or the dissolution of the subject-object distinction. The self encompasses the entire system of consciousness, and experiencing its irreversible shutdown is truly exceptional. While many individuals may reach a state of no-ego, few seem to attain a state of no-self.

What B. Roberts describes is realizing that reality is God. There isn't a "you" seeing reality; "a you seeing reality" is the reality. Reality is God; there is only one God, the reality, and reality is this now. This is absolutely obvious; it's nothing mystical or special.

But then she speaks about good, bad,.God that create humans because a reason etc and that's a Christian mess imo

Edited 9 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Joseph Maynor]

On 12/25/2025 at 1:39 PM, Breakingthewall said:

The ego is more than that. When your mind is in absolute silence, there is still a barrier. There is a center, a kind of black hole into which all experience converges. A receiver, an observer, where everything ends, which absorbs all the movement of reality but remains immobile.

This center is the ego. It can be an aligned, disciplined ego, one that accepts, that does not desire, that only observes. But it is still an ego. The absence of ego is the dissolution of the center. This is the difficult part of the game. The door without a door, which wants to be opened by the door itself.

I agree with this with the exception that the center is not synonymous with the ego IMO.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I agree with this with the exception that the center is not synonymous with the ego IMO.

At the end the center is the last frontier of the ego. The center means the receiver of the experience. In a given moment the reality is reduced to the absolute basic structure: I am. Perception of being. The fact of knowing that you are. You, me , any conscious being is this structure with added characteristics. The naked ego is the I am. 

This can be dissolved, that's the real point, breaking the I am then the ocean manifest. The I am is closed, openess requires zero structure. I am is structure 

[Joseph Maynor]

17 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

At the end the center is the last frontier of the ego. The center means the receiver of the experience. In a given moment the reality is reduced to the absolute basic structure: I am. Perception of being. The fact of knowing that you are. You, me , any conscious being is this structure with added characteristics. The naked ego is the I am. 

This can be dissolved, that's the real point, breaking the I am then the ocean manifest. The I am is closed, openess requires zero structure. I am is structure 

I think the I Am goes beyond ego.  Ego is a very loaded term so I don't like to use it in this context.  But there is an I that is not part of ego to use your word.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I think the I Am goes beyond ego.  Ego is a very loaded term so I don't like to use it in this context.  But there is an I that is not part of ego to use your word.

It depends of what meaning we give to the ego. Imo ego means self, the perception of being that implies the "I". But also you could say that the ego is the idea that we have of ourselves due the human interaction. Being successful, etc, and the basic pure I am is not ego.