Does anyone know what they are talking about?

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It is, yes, and it’s very easy to let go, and that’s true liberation, the freedom from the fear of truly letting go.

 

Maybe some don’t understand this radical freedom, but I do, and you do too James, I see it. It’s pure beauty because it’s giving everything back to God. It’s pure bliss. 

the realization is Bliss for sure, no argument there, once Your just here and one with life that is Bliss, but how to surrender he never really explains that, because not all are in the same place or experience (he deny's experience too which is a misnomer)

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

the realization is Bliss for sure, no argument there, once Your just here and one with life that is Bliss, but how to surrender he never really explains that, because not all are in the same place or experience (he deny's experience too which is a misnomer)

There’s nothing to explain about how to surrender. Surrender is as effortless as breathing. There’s no how. 
 

 

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

the realization is Bliss for sure, no argument there, once Your just here and one with life that is Bliss, but how to surrender he never really explains that, because not all are in the same place or experience (he deny's experience too which is a misnomer)

Surrendering can be in many ways.

Deeply knowing that anything and everything belongs to God or (Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc...)

Being witness or, (zen, Buddhism, neo Adviata etc...)

Being exhausted from suffering or being on control. (Trough life)

[Mellowmarsh]

28 minutes ago, Ponder said:

Knowledge is possible, but attaining Knowledge with a capital K is much harder and more slippery than most people realize. Reading 'The Book of Not Knowing' atm and it talks about this very thing. 

Very good. 🙂
 

I just know that it’s not the I that knows, and that the I is known, but not by I

 The I that is known is a known. And the known cannot know. 
 

 

[Ishanga]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

Surrendering can be in many ways.

Deeply knowing that anything and everything belongs to God or (Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc...)

Being witness or, (zen, Buddhism, neo Adviata etc...)

Being exhausted from suffering or being on control. (Trough life)

How to Know, why doesn't Yeah Yeah not know and want to kill himself, so he doesn't know, how would YOU teach him to Know?

How to Witness, Yeah Yeah is not witnessing, How to teach him to Witness.

These explanations don't cut it, Your coming from the Top supposedly and looking down "Its all so easy, just let go, just surrender".. Yeah Yeah is at the bottom and not even looking up, how to help him???

[Ishanga]

13 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

There’s nothing to explain about how to surrender. Surrender is as effortless as breathing. There’s no how. 
 

 

lol if that is what it is for You then You are one of the lucky ones, poor Yeah Yeah..

You see You guys cannot explain HOW, so You avoid it like the plague,, Just let go, just surrender like it is breathing.. go under water (where Yeah Yeah is) and then see how effortless it is too breath!

The problem with this Top Down methodology is just the example You both are providing, no context, no relatability, no method, like everyone is already in surrender mode, so therefore no solution to those that are not!

Edited 4 hours ago by Ishanga

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

How to Know, why doesn't Yeah Yeah not know and want to kill himself, so he doesn't know, how would YOU teach him to Know?

How to Witness, Yeah Yeah is not witnessing, How to teach him to Witness.

These explanations don't cut it, Your coming from the Top supposedly and looking down "Its all so easy, just let go, just surrender".. Yeah Yeah is at the bottom and not even looking up, how to help him???

Tell him to do work as much as alone and live as much as alone. Be far from people. And do what I said above.

He can even live in a tiny room.

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

lol if that is what it is for You then You are one of the lucky ones, poor Yeah Yeah..

You see You guys cannot explain HOW, so You avoid it like the plague,, Just let go, just surrender like it is breathing.. go under water (where Yeah Yeah is) and then see how effortless it is too breath!

The problem with this Top Down methodology is just the example You both are providing, no context, no relatability, no method, like everyone is already in surrender mode, so therefore no solution to those that are not!

You seem tense. 😬 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You seem tense. 😬 

You as well:)

[Mellowmarsh]

5 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

like everyone is already in surrender mode,

Not everyone is in surrender mode. Let’s be clear about this.

 

[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Tell him to do work as much as alone and live as much as alone. Be far from people. And do what I said above.

He can even live in a tiny room.

What sort of work? Explain in detail?

Why go to tiny room and isolate? Explain in detail pls!

[Ishanga]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Not everyone is in surrender mode. Let’s be clear about this.

 

ok at least You admitted it, then how to get into surrender mode..

[Mellowmarsh]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

ok at least You admitted it, then how to get into surrender mode..

Die. 

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Die. 

What dies? Body, Mind, Ego, Intellect, Thoughts, Desires, what dies and how?

Your answers are not really answers, just ego defending ideas believed in!

Is it okay if Yeah Yeah kills himself, should no one help him out of his suffering?

Edited 4 hours ago by Ishanga

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

What dies? Body, Mind, Ego, Intellect, Thoughts, Desires, what dies and how?

Your answers are not really answers, just ego defending ideas believed in!

Is it okay if Yeah Yeah kills himself, should no one help him out of his suffering?

Asking what dies is identical to asking what lives.

In reality..that which lives never dies, and that which dies never lives.

If you know you live, then you know you’ll die. Surrender to the inevitable and be with peace forever, in life or death, it’s the same peace.

There’s a place of perfect peace, but it seems like no one wants to live there. 

 

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Asking what dies is identical to asking what lives.

In reality..that which lives never dies, and that which dies never lives.

If you know you live, then you know you’ll die. Surrender to the inevitable and be with peace forever, in life or death, it’s the same peace.

There’s a place of perfect peace, but it seems like no one wants to live there. 

 

so then your solution is mass suicide?

See what ego makes You think and want to do? More saying and meme type replies, no real substance..

Sorry to be harsh on You and James okay, its not my intention, but when teachings of sorts come down like this, no real substance, no real solutions, or methods shared, just writing meme like stuff which is forgotten easily, someone has to say something and show the example, in this case of what not to do...

You guys are like when I was a kid and put cookies out for Santa Clause, it was a great time in life, the fantasy seemed real and we were all so innocent, then we grew up!

Edited 3 hours ago by Ishanga

[Zest4Life]

@Ishanga You're half human, half Capital Letter

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

İt is simply letting go or surrendering the body and mind.

What are the body and mind?  And why do they need to be surrendered?

[Mellowmarsh]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

You guys are like when I was a kid and put cookies out for Santa Clause, it was a great time in life, the fantasy seemed real and we were all so innocent, then we grew up!

The You is just like the Santa, both not real.

But Seeing is real. That’s what you have to see. Try to see that there is no You,  as there is no Santa.

Seeing is not an object seen, the seen see nothing. Only the seeing sees, not you, which is the seen.

No you is necessary for seeing to occur.

Edited 2 hours ago by Mellowmarsh