How to solve islamophobia.

[Breakingthewall]

On 15/12/2025 at 3:54 AM, Apparition of Jack said:

There are tons of abhorrent teachings in the Bible (how to own slaves, which heathens to kill etc) yet if you seriously suggested bringing back slavery 99% of modern Christians would scoff at the idea.

Wrong, That's the Old Testament. After Jesus Christ, the law changed. Circumcision was no longer required, and certain foods were no longer forbidden, etc. Everything derived from the New Testament is timeless and generally positive.

[Apparition of Jack]

On 28/12/2025 at 11:11 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Wrong, That's the Old Testament. After Jesus Christ, the law changed. Circumcision was no longer required, and certain foods were no longer forbidden, etc. Everything derived from the New Testament is timeless and generally positive.

That didn’t stop previous Christians from using these passages to justify oppression in the past. How do you think Souther plantation owners justified owning slaves whilst calling themselves Christian?

My point is is that it doesn’t really matter (too much) about what a religious text says; what matters is the people / society interpreting those texts and whether they use them for lower-consciousness or higher-consciousness purposes.

[Breakingthewall]

55 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

My point is is that it doesn’t really matter (too much) about what a religious text says; what matters is the people / society interpreting those texts and whether they use them for lower-consciousness or higher-consciousness purposes.

Yes, it matters. It's not the same text that tells you to love your enemies and give one of your two tunics to the poor, even if you're a hypocrite and own slaves, is not the same as one that tells you to rip out the hearts of 100 virgins a month so the sun doesn't devour the earth, or one that says only those who die with a sword in their hand will go to Odin's banquet. Or other that says that it's ok to fuck 9 years old girls when you are 53

[Apparition of Jack]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, it matters. It's not the same text that tells you to love your enemies and give one of your two tunics to the poor, even if you're a hypocrite and own slaves, is not the same as one that tells you to rip out the hearts of 100 virgins a month so the sun doesn't devour the earth, or one that says only those who die with a sword in their hand will go to Odin's banquet. Or other that says that it's ok to fuck 9 years old girls when you are 53

The NT also has some questionable teachings. It submits women to men, it tells slaves to submit to their masters, Jesus said he came not bring peace but “a sword”, etc. Overall the message is one of generosity but it can easily be twisted to support crueler ends if someone really wanted to.

Likewise, the Quran has many verses about violence and oppression, but it also has countless verses about mercy, justice, alms-giving, how Allah loves all of creation, etc. 
 

Look I’ve gotta ask are you a Christian? Because this conversation won’t make sense otherwise if I know if you are or not

Edited December 29, 2025 by Apparition of Jack

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Look I’ve gotta ask are you a Christian? Because this conversation won’t make sense otherwise if I know if you are or not

13 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

 

No, I don't believe in any religion, but I believe that Christianity, or Buddhism, point to positive values (responsibility), and Islam to negative values (obedience)

The biggest problem of Christianity was Adopting Augustine of Hippo's idea of eternal hell and original sin, according to which God, who is mercy and love, condemns you to eternal hell for a sin committed by your ancestors that He incited them to commit. Moreover, since He is omniscient, He already knew at creation that your destiny was eternal horror because He loves you. This turns Christianity into an ideology of absolute terror, but if you read Christ and observe His actions, you deduce his message. If you read Muhammad and observe his actions (a pedophile warlord), you deduce his.

Christianity is a religion that come from down, from slaves, and in centuries arrives to the state. Islam come from up, from a conqueror, from the beginning. It's absolutely different. 

And over all societies are what they are, and in the name of the lamb of love they burn you alive in the public square for being a heretic or to steal your lands or anything . But everyone knows that the central idea is love, humility and forgiveness.

Edited December 30, 2025 by Breakingthewall

[Lord of Darkness]

You cannot reconcile fundamentalists, and liberals. 

Both are wrong but in diffrent ways. Tradition has many good values till becomes hollowed out husk. Liberals have many new ideas but many of them create more problems then they solve.