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[James123]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

anyway , sorry for getting triggered like always

No worries my brother.

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123  Same than before birth and deep sleep brother 😅

Exactly 😊 

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Mellowmarsh said:

It’s easy to get triggered by this radical stuff.

It's not the stuff, are the lies, but anyway, it's normal, it's spirituality. 99,9 , or maybe 100% is narcissism. Spirituality is a scam, it's becoming the new religion. 

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[Ishanga]

14 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@James123 anyway , sorry for getting triggered like always. Same than before birth and deep sleep brother 😅

this is what happens when we discuss these sorts of topics, Spirituality, God/Absolute, Enlightenment, Truth, Reality, etc..

In the end discussion/forums like this lead ppl that participate to automatically create internal belief systems, the ego attaches/identifies with it and voila we have to argue back and forth on something that is extremely personal in Experience...

Its okay if done in moderation but daily participation will lead one further Away from Experiencing Truth/Reality..

If One was Truly in the Experience of Enlightenment/God/Absolute, they would not be on here daily, either posting, starting threads and replying, hence if they are not Enlightened what do they know??

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

If One was Truly in the Experience of Enlightenment/God/Absolute, they would not be on here daily, either posting, starting threads and replying, hence if they are not Enlightened what do they know??

You could be enlightened, drug addict, rapist, anything, then we can talk about it, but if you tell me when I question any statement to have a real conversation: lovely brotha, you are on deep sleep because love is everything and I'm before birth because love is so lovely 😍 😍 😍 😍, I love you so much, I hope you stop your deep suffering,

then if I have not a punching bag close to hit it during at least 3 hours, maybe I can't avoid some stupid responses. I try to avoid, really, but sometimes I fail.  The solution is don't talk with narcissist, but almost everyone who's in spirituality are 

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[Ishanga]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could be enlightened, drug addict, raper, anything, then we can talk about it, but if you tell me when I question any statement to have a real conversation: lovely brotha, you are on deep sleep because love is everything and I'm before birth because love is so lovely 😍 😍 😍 😍, I love you so much, I hope you stop your deep suffering,

then if I have not a punching bag close to hit it during at least 3 hours, maybe I can't avoid some stupid responses. I try to avoid, really, but sometimes I fail.  The solution is don't talk with narcissist, but almost everyone who's in spirituality are 

I use this forum, and its entertaining, I come on maybe an hour a day or less, sometimes take a week long break, then just come on and look see...

I use the forum to see what is triggered then observe the trigger itself and dissolve it, day by day soon there are no triggers, that means change or transformation..

No matter what anyone says, life is a process, there are levels to everything, one can be an Absolutist and say "No one is here, Nothing is Happening" and they are right in an Absolutist way, but its not the totality, there are People here, and lots is Happening on the other end of the Scale, it is just Absolute/God/Brahma is the foundation, from there we are here talking, debating, arguing, developing beliefs, dissolving beliefs and so forth, everything that can be has to appear somewhere sometime, its just Humans can be conscious of it, and via that we can Decide and Choose, that makes all the difference!

[Breakingthewall]

@Ishanga

Anyone can say whatever they want if it comes from a place of honesty, but if it stems from a need to appear "more", it's exhausting. Most people involved in spirituality are driven by narcissism, which is why it's such a complicated issue.

I speak about this because, for me, it's a way to refine my understanding. It's an exercise in comprehension. It's essential to achieve a conceptual framework free of inconsistencies that lead to closure; not everything is about energy practice, there's also mental practice. It's essential, and it's not formulated. No spiritual tradition explain clearly this matter, and it's possible to do it. 

[Ishanga]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Ishanga

Anyone can say whatever they want if it comes from a place of honesty, but if it stems from a need to appear "more", it's exhausting. Most people involved in spirituality are driven by narcissism, which is why it's such a complicated issue.

I speak about this because, for me, it's a way to refine my understanding. It's an exercise in comprehension. It's essential to achieve a conceptual framework free of inconsistencies that lead to closure; not everything is about energy practice, there's also mental practice. It's essential, and it's not formulated. No spiritual tradition explain clearly this matter, and it's possible to do it. 

Yes well said, and true... I find Your posts most accurate and nice to read, that is when we are not arguing about Sadhguru and such lol...

You have a great way to express and break it all down for sure..You never say "This is it, the absolute reality of it, period", you just share and reflect then share some more which is wise.. Whereas James123, Leo and many others (with narsasstic traits) do not do that, they tell, they don't share really!

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[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

many others (with narsasstic traits) do not do that, they tell, they don't share really!

Thanks for appreciating. The problem isn't just that they express their ideas as dogma; it's that if you try to have an in-depth conversation about the points they present, they either get angry or do what James does when he's at a dead end: turn the conversation around and say, "You're suffering a lot, brother, I love you. Let go of all that mental mess and be free ❤️."

Let's see, I present ideas like: "Form is created by coherent, interwoven patterns." You might reply: "That's impossible because where does the first pattern come from?" Perfect! That's exactly what I want;  challenge my vision so I can develop it and see where it fails. But nobody's going to do that; they're just going to get angry, lie, and try to appear "more"

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Thanks for appreciating. The problem isn't just that they express their ideas as dogma; it's that if you try to have an in-depth conversation about the points they present, they either get angry or do what James does when he's at a dead end: turn the conversation around and say, "You're suffering a lot, brother, I love you. Let go of all that mental mess and be free ❤️."

Let's see, I present ideas like: "Form is created by coherent, interwoven patterns." You might reply: "That's impossible because where does the first pattern come from?" Perfect! That's exactly what I want;  challenge my vision so I can develop it and see where it fails. But nobody's going to do that; they're just going to get angry, lie, and try to appear "more"

Yes, which shows where they are at, and they should reflect on their reactions and ask "Why"..

And that is exactly right, ppl should respond via inquiry and ask more questions, maybe challenge what You said and further the investigation so that all come out of it ahead and learn something, rather than reactionary response lead by ego identification!!

[Mellowmarsh]

The mouth has no choice but to speak of that which fills the heart. Compare it to a man in love who cannot stop talking about his lady. His intention is not to convince his friends to go and court her; he simply is unable not to talk about her.

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

The mouth has no choice but to speak of that which fills the heart. Compare it to a man in love who cannot stop talking about his lady. His intention is not to convince his friends to go and court her; he simply is unable not to talk about her.

I'm not so sure about this "Unableness", he talks about his gf with others because of Ego, he wants other men to want her, but he doesn't want them to get her, he wants that for himself, its the same here with certain ppl here, they want recognition of Authority, they want debate and argument to make their hearts beat faster, because they cannot do that on their own...there are many reasons why ppl post as they do, most of it I would say is egoic, which is not where Truth is, ego is false self, it neither good or bad, or evil, it just is, its needed in a society to deal with others in society, if You were isolate and alone ego is not needed...identifying with ego is the big problem...

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[Mellowmarsh]

On 02/12/2025 at 1:49 PM, James123 said:

Moreover, if you try to name or experience it, you realize that it is not It.

Because, any given name and experience belongs to body and mind, which is temporary. 

Had to revisit this thread because it’s too good.

I just wanted to share this little beauty I found on the inner net.

 

‘I am’ is a conceiving; ‘I am this’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall not be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be possessed of form’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be formless’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be non-percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be neither-percipient-nor-non-percipient’ is a conceiving. Conceiving is a disease, conceiving is a tumour, conceiving is a dart.
 

By overcoming all conceivings, one is called a sage at peace. And the sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die; he is not shaken and is not agitated. For there is nothing present in him by which he might be born. Not being born, how could he age? Not ageing, how could he die? Not dying, how could he be shaken? Not being shaken, why should he be agitated?

 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Had to revisit this thread because it’s too good.

I just wanted to share this little beauty I found on the inner net.

 

‘I am’ is a conceiving; ‘I am this’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall not be’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be possessed of form’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be formless’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be non-percipient’ is a conceiving; ‘I shall be neither-percipient-nor-non-percipient’ is a conceiving. Conceiving is a disease, conceiving is a tumour, conceiving is a dart.
 

By overcoming all conceivings, one is called a sage at peace. And the sage at peace is not born, does not age, does not die; he is not shaken and is not agitated. For there is nothing present in him by which he might be born. Not being born, how could he age? Not ageing, how could he die? Not dying, how could he be shaken? Not being shaken, why should he be agitated?

 

Body is born without any question and knower of this is the mind.

How it born itself, it write itself and dies itself.

But, being completely empty not even empty, no words pass there, no expectations, just the moment, not even, turns to be love.

What a fucking magic. Unbelievable.

Touching my son, writing to you guys, coming and going arguments, disagreement or agreement through the body that breathes the air without asking.

Unbelievable. What a fucking magic.

[Mellowmarsh]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

Body is born without any question and knower of this is the mind.

How it born itself, it write itself and dies itself.

But, being completely empty not even empty, no words pass there, no expectations, just the moment, not even, turns to be love.

What a fucking magic. Unbelievable.

Touching my son, writing to you guys, coming and going arguments, disagreement or agreement through the body that breathes the air without asking.

Unbelievable. What a fucking magic.

Nice.

In essence, we fear the loss of our current, tangible self, not the state of being before that self was formed. And yet a self can apparently appear out of that state of being before that self was formed? From formless to form to formless ?
 

We fear what is ultimately not actually there in reality? And don’t see the what is always there, here?

[Mellowmarsh]

16 minutes ago, James123 said:

Unbelievable. What a fucking magic.

It’s that beautiful, it’s terrifying. 

[James123]

16 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Nice.

In essence, we fear the loss of our current, tangible self, not the state of being before that self was formed. And yet a self can apparently appear out of that state of being before that self was formed? From formless to form to formless ?
 

We fear what is ultimately not actually there in reality? And don’t see the what is always there, here?

Because, we try to control something, which is out of control, which is body and attached to it.

Life flows the way that it is suppose to be. And none of action can change it.

Form is body therefore universe. But body is one with universe. İf there is no sun, there will be no body, if there is no air, there will be no body etc...

What We are is not from nor formless. There is no words there.

[Mellowmarsh]

@James123 Lovely!