Leo, If America Is at Peak Orange, Can Democrats Still Push for Economic Populism?

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It can be Green too.

Remember that Green is built atop Orange. Green is not a rejection of Orange. A Green society will have capitalist businesses and industry.

Hi @Leo Gura, regarding the heavy industry of the Soviet Union and its socialist buffer states in eastern Europe like(Poland, Hungary, Romania etc) why it all collapsed together with the whole communist regimes? The Soviet Union and Romania had thousands of heavy industry factories like steel and coal etc, why they all collapsed together with the regime? Why 90% of these factories were decommissioned and left to rot once the communism collapsed? 

Here there are conspiracy theories that the west sabotaged them with insiders thus making the factories obsolete so that eastern Europe must be dependent on the west and buy heavy industrial goods from the west rather than producing those heavy industry goods at home. To me this is bullshit. I want to hear what are your thoughts on this matter and how you view this situation. 

Edited Tuesday at 07:25 PM by Daniel Balan

[Leo Gura]

57 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

regarding the heavy industry of the Soviet Union and its socialist buffer states in eastern Europe like(Poland, Hungary, Romania etc) why it all collapsed together with the whole communist regimes? The Soviet Union and Romania had thousands of heavy industry factories like steel and coal etc, why they all collapsed together with the regime? Why 90% of these factories were decommissioned and left to rot once the communism collapsed? 

Because communist management is so inefficent that they could not compete with capitalist industry.

No conspiracy necessary for incompetence, stupidity, and corruption.

[Infinity16]

22 hours ago, aurum said:

There is already much stage Orange in our mode of government.

It's not strictly Blue. 

I should perhaps distinguish between type of government, mode of government, and culture. The enlightenment values that western culture is based on today are essentially stage orange. Democracy is valued by stages orange and green. For most of US history, although enlightenment values took root in academia, most of the population was in stage blue. This changed in the 60s in what can possibly be referred to as the cultural enlightenment. The cultural enlightenment gave the west all of the benefits and drawbacks of stage orange.

The mode of government (which I coined) is different from a type of government which is how the government is run. The mode of government actually deals with the makeup of the government.

The empire is the stage red mode of government. It starts at stage red because that's where state formation starts. Empires are defined by a dominant group and submissive groups.

It is perhaps worth noting that the mode of government that embraces elements from the next stage tend to have an advantage. This is because the next stage fixes the problems with the current stage. It is very much worth noting that the mode of government that embodies the previous stages are dysfunctional. We can see that the most corrupt nation-states in the world have a lot of red and purple.

Stage blue empires are more stable. Stage orange does not allow for empires because its values are contrary to imperialism. Perhaps not so coincidentally, empire and imperialism attained negative connotations right around the 60s.

The nation-state is the stage blue mode of government. It is characterized by a people-group bound together by either ethnicity or civic values. This can actually make things worse for ethnic minorities as this will incentivize the state to forcefully assimilate them. The nation-state is strengthened by stage orange because it prevents technological stagnation and makes the economy more efficient.