Why do some people reject the existence of God?

[Ishanga]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

And what thought up and created "creation" then? Shiva? Then what created shiva?

These are just words, labels, ways of somehow trying to communicate what the ancient Rishis Experienced, logic will only go so far.  

Shiva means "That which is not" it cannot be created, but our minds are Time (Past/Memory and Future/Imagination) Based, this is great for allowing us a weak Human to survive another day in a land of large, stronger, more physically gifted animals and creatures, so that thousands of years later we dominate the planet, but Survival is a basic level of Living for a Human, we have much more potential than that, so for that too happen we have to go beyond Using the Mind and/or Intellect to find out these answers, imo anyways...

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

These are just words, labels, ways of somehow trying to communicate what the ancient Rishis Experienced, logic will only go so far.  

Shiva means "That which is not" it cannot be created, but our minds are Time (Past/Memory and Future/Imagination) Based, this is great for allowing us a weak Human to survive another day in a land of large, stronger, more physically gifted animals and creatures, so that thousands of years later we dominate the planet, but Survival is a basic level of Living for a Human, we have much more potential than that, so for that too happen we have to go beyond Using the Mind and/or Intellect to find out these answers, imo anyways...

But "Shiva" and "Brahmana" are special words!

God is sacred word, but words that prove you wrong, are just vapor words.

Edited 15 hours ago by Elliott

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, Elliott said:

But "Shiva" and "Brahmana" are special words!

God is sacred word, but words that prove you wrong, are just vapor words.

Maybe in Your mind and interpretation, which is a certain possibility, all possibilities have to be expressed sooner or later, in the end its not right or wrong, and is in Your hands to deal with and experience, as is what I think and experience too...

think what You think, I will think what I think, we all have to live it out and play the game, how we experience life thru this game is what counts imo...

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Ishanga said:

Maybe in Your mind and interpretation, which is a certain possibility, all possibilities have to be expressed sooner or later, in the end its not right or wrong, and is in Your hands to deal with and experience, as is what I think and experience too...

think what You think, I will think what I think, we all have to live it out and play the game, how we experience life thru this game is what counts imo...

You're a perfect example for the difference between theists and atheists 

Theists believe they know something, and claim everyone else is wrong for not having faith in what you literally don't know, but atheists just admit they don't know. You're a con.

[Ishanga]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You're a perfect example for the difference between theists and atheists 

Theists believe they know something, and claim everyone else is wrong for not having faith in what you literally don't know, but atheists just admit they don't know. You're a con.

nice, thanks!

[tuku747]

[Mellowmarsh]

The disbelief in God’s existence is the belief there is God’s existence that is not a belief. 
 

Am I seeing double. ♾️

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Elliott said:

And what thought up and created "creation" then? Shiva? Then what created shiva?

Shiva is the totality, the absence of limits. By the very fact of having no limits, it is everything and nothing at the same time. It is everything because it is total, it is nothing because there is no differentiation or process. No one creates Shiva; it is inevitable.

Kali is limitation, specifically time, which is the creator of form, the essential limit that allows for processes, for becoming. Without process, there is no form, only undifferentiated openness.

No one creates Kali; it happens because there are no limits. A reality without change would be limited to being limitless. The process occurs, symmetry is broken, two states confront each other, and the reality of form explodes.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Shiva is the totality, the absence of limits. By the very fact of having no limits, it is everything and nothing at the same time. It is everything because it is total, it is nothing because there is no differentiation or process. No one creates Shiva; it is inevitable.

Kali is limitation, specifically time, which is the creator of form, the essential limit that allows for processes, for becoming. Without process, there is no form, only undifferentiated openness.

No one creates Kali; it happens because there are no limits. A reality without change would be limited to being limitless. The process occurs, symmetry is broken, two states confront each other, and the reality of form explodes.

So, what created creation, what thought it up? What thought up infinity? What created it? What created the "inevitable" you speak of.

What is the point of calling something/nothing "God"? Why does that reason matter, what caused/created that reason?

 

"Nov 14, 2025 — Shiva, one of the main deities of Hinduism, whom Shaivites worship as the supreme god. Among his common epithets are Shambhu"

Edited 2 hours ago by Elliott

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

So, what created creation, what thought it up? What thought up infinity? What created it?

Absolute reality, Shiva if we continue with those names, is not created; it is simply limitlessness. This is absolutely obvious if you open yourself to it. The fact that there are no limits makes the void absolute potential, and absolute potential without limits is equivalent to absolute being.

Relative reality is created by the apparent limitation that can occur within the unlimited, since it precisely has no limits. Therefore, at some point, a fluctuation arises, a rupture of symmetry, the absolute reflecting upon itself.

This makes the appearance of time inevitable because if the fluctuation is instantaneous, it is not a fluctuation. A delay is necessary for a process to occur. Without limits, this process expands into an infinity of coherent relationships limited by time as far as possible. In our reality, time or delay is c, the speed of light, the absolute limit of this universe.

[Elliott]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Absolute reality, Shiva if we continue with those names, is not created; it is simply limitlessness. This is absolutely obvious if you open yourself to it. The fact that there are no limits makes the void absolute potential, and absolute potential without limits is equivalent to absolute being.

Relative reality is created by the apparent limitation that can occur within the unlimited, since it precisely has no limits. Therefore, at some point, a fluctuation arises, a rupture of symmetry, the absolute reflecting upon itself.

This makes the appearance of time inevitable because if the fluctuation is instantaneous, it is not a fluctuation. A delay is necessary for a process to occur. Without limits, this process expands into an infinity of coherent relationships limited by time as far as possible. In our reality, time or delay is c, the speed of light, the absolute limit of this universe.

And how did this occur, how did this come about, what caused it to happen? What created limitlessness?   Why is it, why is limitless the case? You go from nothing, all black, silent, to everything, why is that? What decided it, created it, caused it, thought it? You say "it just is the case", that just means you don't know.

Edited 2 hours ago by Elliott

[Elliott]

So, what effect does believing in God have on you?

You follow what other people tell you God wants you to do. Effectively, "God" is just manipulation by other people. "God is love", this is just to get other people to act civil while the thieves(the ultimate, "god" promoters) rob everyone.

Edited 2 hours ago by Elliott

[Breakingthewall]

25 minutes ago, Elliott said:

And how did this occur, how did this come about, what caused it to happen? What created limitlessness?   Why is it, why is limitless the case? You go from nothing, all black, silent, to everything, why is that? What decided it, created it, caused it, thought it? You say "it just is the case", that just means you don't know.

It is created by the absence of limits. A reality that is always symmetrical, without change, would be a reality limited to being limitless. A reality without limits creates infinite apparent limits because it is impossible for it not to, since it has no limits.

The fact of having no edges or bottom makes reality unstable by definition in its appearance and absolutely stable in its essence, since its essence is precisely the absence of limits.

[Elliott]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

It is created by the absence of limits. A reality that is always symmetrical, without change, would be a reality limited to being limitless. A reality without limits creates infinite apparent limits because it is impossible for it not to, since it has no limits.

The fact of having no edges or bottom makes reality unstable by definition in its appearance and absolutely stable in its essence, since its essence is precisely the absence of limits.

You go from nothing, all black, silent, to everything, why is that? What decided it, created it, caused it, thought it?

There's no limits, sure, but what then causes everything, why doesn't it stay all black and silent?

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Elliott said:

So, what effect does believing in God have on you?

You follow what other people tell you God wants you to do. Effectively, "God" is just manipulation by other people. "God is love", this is just to get other people to act civil while the thieves(the ultimate, "god" promoters) rob everyone.

I only follow the necessary alignment that makes possible that you are open to your true nature. Only you know what that alignment demands. 

[Elliott]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I only follow the necessary alignment that makes possible that you are open to your true nature. Only you know what that alignment demands. 

If there's no limits, there's no purpose. What created your purpose? What decided that?

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Elliott said:

There's no limits, sure, but what then causes everything, why doesn't it stay all black and silent?

Because then the reality would be limited to black and silence. 

To create a mental image, imagine a silent, black frame. You open it. You keep opening it. At a certain point, the opening is complete; you can't open it because it has no borders. That opening contains all possible possibilities because it has no borders, and it is exactly you. It's extremely simple.

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

If there's no limits, there's no purpose. What created your purpose? What decided that?

Me, because I prefer be open than closed, contracted, because that feels as deep suffering 

[Elliott]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Because then the reality would be limited to black and silence. 

To create a mental image, imagine a silent, black frame. You open it. You keep opening it. At a certain point, the opening is complete; you can't open it because it has no borders. That opening contains all possible possibilities because it has no borders, and it is exactly you. It's extremely simple.

Not true, black is the presence of all colors, all sounds at once would be the same as no sound.

[Elliott]

45 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Me, because I prefer be open than closed, contracted, because that feels as deep suffering 

So, you believe there are no limits,

yet, there is a purpose, what you decide. But not just what you decide for yourself, but what you decide for others, hence the need to communicate "God". Manipulation.