No experience can touch Truth - Drop psychedelics and experience based realizations

[James123]

14 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Exactly my point, dead-statements, no substance, empty, void, lifeless. What I share is (the middle way). A little further down the road...

That life ought to be "lived" cause that's what being "alive" is all about, not merely conceptualized and observed.

You can remain as the "observer" and point out truths all you want, if you don't live, you remain a ghost in a shell.

 

 

There is no you to live.

Body is already perfect.

you remain ghost in shell belongs to mind. 

When observer dies, what remain is already pure beauty.

[Ramasta9]

@Inliytened1 Yeah, thanks, Well its a whole wave of people getting caught up in this phase, afraid of letting it all go, that misses creations point entirely, to be lived, experienced, embraced, enjoyed. I have nothing against anyone, I am only trying to help them see, and all i can do is trust these seeds shall sprout, and hopefully they too can see that its all unconditional love...

Yes @Natasha Tori Maru Life is a trinity, its the 1 + 1 = 3 / duality / non-duality > merge as one = trinity

Man + Woman = Child = LIFE

ect...

 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Malkom said:

It's much simpler, bro. What you're saying suggests that you don’t actually need your individual “self” for your body to function—your body operates automatically better than your conscious mind does. There's no point in meddling with processes where things work fine without you.

As humans, we only control our skeletal-muscular system. Everything else is beyond our direct control—it’s self-deception. There’s an autonomic nervous system within us, and it runs everything independently. This autonomic system splits into two parts: sympathetic and parasympathetic systems.

You can slightly influence these systems using deep breathing techniques and throat sounds. For example, when you breathe deeply from your diaphragm and make any glottal sound, you activate the vagus nerve, stimulating the sympathetic component of the autonomic system. As a result, your body shifts from stress mode into something calmer. Making throat sounds activates nerves in the neck area. Rubbing your eyes also triggers slight activation of the sympathetic nervous system. That’s pretty much it.

There's no reason to invent unnecessary entities—we follow Occam's razor principle here. Like they say back home, “Why give a goat a balalaika?” Or, as others might put it, “Who needs a fifth leg on a dog?” If something is complicated, it should improve its functionality; there should be some kind of beauty, some kind of purpose. Simply making it more complicated is pointless.

Complexity makes sense if it enhances functionality. Otherwise, complicating things serves no purpose.

There is no such thing as free will.

Just find this you in body.

[Ramasta9]

Just now, James123 said:

There is no you to live.

Body is already perfect.

you remain ghost in shell belongs to mind. 

When observer dies, what remain is already pure beauty.

The Machine Gun of Truth >>>>

Ok my friend, whatever works for you, we know all this, doesn't change greater point, but I guess you will never see it until you see it.

Much Love 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

No meditation is really about just being there. Being present.  It's not about surrendering.   It's just staring at your hand. Or doing concentration meditation. Or self inquiry.  Thats what the nature of meditation is.  Nothing guarantees it but I can tell you that suffering plays a large role.  Such that Jesus suffered on the cross.  But that happens when life happens it is completely distinct from meditation practices .

Are you sure just being present isn't surrendering in some way? IE could be giving up thoughts or perceptions to be present

Might be a terminology thing.

I don't feel like I surrender during meditation - but I don't discount that could be what is happening when I go into the states I experience.

[Mellowmarsh]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no you to live.

Body is already perfect.

you remain ghost in shell belongs to mind. 

When observer dies, what remain is already pure beauty.

Nope, these are just words. Not it. ▶️ This is your personal theory. 
 

Keep tripping meeting yourself coming back. 

[James123]

Just now, Mellowmarsh said:

Nope, these are just words. Not it. ▶️ This is your personal theory. 
 

Keep tripping meeting yourself coming back. 

Any words are only pointer.

but, some's are ready to die, and these words for them. Not for "you".

[Malkom]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no such thing as free will.

Just find this you in body.

I don't need free will, I need my energy, my Self, to flow through me unhindered, that's freedom. What does free will mean? Some people say free will is for wishes to come true or something. That's what, hahaha. Or maybe this someone wants free will because they're demonic.

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Malkom said:

I don't need free will, I need my energy, my Self, to flow through me unhindered, that's freedom. What does free will mean? Some people say free will is for wishes to come true or something. That's what, hahaha. Or maybe this someone wants free will because they're demonic.

Free Will = Control.

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are you sure just being present isn't surrendering in some way? IE could be giving up thoughts or perceptions to be present

Might be a terminology thing.

I don't feel like I surrender during meditation - but I don't discount that could be what is happening when I go into the states I experience.

Think about it. When you take a psychedelic you just take it and it invokes a shift in consciousness.  Meditation is.no different.   The point with meditation is to not know. To surrender is to know.  So the ironic thing is the very thing he fights against is what can stop you.   I know what you.mean in a sense you are surrendering the ego but that is after the ego is gone you can't think that going in.  They are merely tools or a means to an end.  

 

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

Any words are only pointer.

Words cannot point to nameless IT 

What “word” knows the IT?

 

Do you see the dilemma? It’s like the contents of consciousness looking for consciousness. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Mellowmarsh

[Malkom]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

Free Will = Control.

I have no problem with free will = control. The main thing is contact with your "Pure Desire," which is precisely "Pure Being," and precisely "Pure Will"—that is, Will with a capital W. It's also very similar to Love, because it's your Essence; it simply can't be any other way. But it's not love as spiritual teachers describe it; that's too primitive; it's much, much, much more.

Edited 11 hours ago by Malkom

[Ramasta9]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

Any words are only pointer.

but, some's are ready to die, and these words for them. Not for "you".

Yes, some of us have died, but you know what? staying dead is 'escaping life' too. Eventually you have to be reborn.

Its one thing to die, but are you brave enough to live again?

This is the essence of Buddha's (middle-way) and Christs (way of the heart).

 

Edited 11 hours ago by Ramasta9

[James123]

1 minute ago, Mellowmarsh said:

Words cannot point to nameless IT 

What “word” knows the IT?

 

Do you see the dilemma? It’s like the context of consciousness looking for consciousness. 

It is using the gun on your head and pulling the trigger.

So, gun does it's work, as words do.

[Mellowmarsh]

22 minutes ago, James123 said:

There is no you to live.

Body is already perfect.

More words, that can’t be spoken. So the above claim an illusory claim. This is what you want us to believe.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

It is using the gun on your head and pulling the trigger.

So, gun does it's work, as words do.

Ok easy guys...no suicidal ideation here please we are pro life. 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Ok easy guys...no suicidal ideation here please we are pro life. 

No man, it is only a metaphor. 

Suicide is escape.

Surrendering is burning while alive.

Edited 10 hours ago by James123

[Mellowmarsh]

6 minutes ago, James123 said:

It is using the gun on your head and pulling the trigger.

So, gun does it's work, as words do.

You cannot claim death as a known thing, while at the same time also claiming consciousness is unborn undying.

 

[Mellowmarsh]

Just now, James123 said:

No man, it is only a metaphor. 

What possible reason or purpose to use metaphor when you already know metaphor is not actually applicable or real?

[Inliytened1]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

No man, it is only a metaphor. 

Bad one how did it even compare with what he said.