How you will meet your higher self

[Jowblob]

Right now you're living your life, everyone is equal or close to you vibrationally. One day things will start to happen (usually because of suffering)/surrender, and you might start peceiving the slight energetic form of your higher self like a finger or just the energy.

Don't worry about it, your higher self will help/lead you to higher consciousness, until you start perceiving more and more of your higher self (energy wise) This is what is meant in the bible becoming close or one with your higher self, as the higher self can use his subtle energy to do the necessary things.

God helps God, this is also one of the reason  how different versions of you are created (infinity) .

Some of you might experience some effects from this information, like a feeling like you have to shit or perhaps some other feelings, because this information vibrates highly.

[theoneandnone]

There’s no proof of a higher self I am very skeptical of it.

[Jowblob]

6 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

There’s no proof of a higher self I am very skeptical of it.

Second time you're coming to my thread to make the first post and make others doubt, what a great actor you are God   

 

Edited Sunday at 06:51 PM by Jowblob

[theoneandnone]

19 minutes ago, Jowblob said:

Second time you're coming to my thread to make the first post and make others doubt, what a great actor you are God   

 

Okay anyways what proof you have of a higher self?

[Jowblob]

7 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

Okay anyways what proof you have of a higher self?

It's all fun and jokes to you right now, asking for proof knowing yourself that it is something that can't be proven. But mark my words, some day you will wish that you didn't need any proof! Your higher self is so selfless and loving that he gave you your life, one day you might suffer and beg for god to come, so that he can show you and pull you up closer to his greatness, that is how much he loves you.

[Hojo]

@theoneandnone Higher self is your dreamer. When you go to sleep and dream this current version if you is your higher self in your dream. Now there is another higher self dreaming you right now.

Your asking him to prove that a higher version of yourself is dreaming him. That thing is you. How can a dream character prove that to you?

Since we cant prove you have a higher self the proof of a higher self is your lower self. You have one and you are it when you dream. So we have proven you have a lower self. You cant have a lower self without a higher self and you have one right now.

If you have a lower self right now, (the dreams you've had or have had), that means you must have a higher self right now. If you deem yourself to be the middle ( not a lower or higher version of yourself )then you must have a higher version.

So logic goes

Do I have a lower self ( a dream self) = yes

Do I have a self ( 3d normal reality) = yes

You must have a higher self then cause you cant have a duality with just lower self.

It has to be a fact because you acknowledge you have a lower dream self. That creates a duality now in present reality.

You could circumvent this by saying I am my higher self but even then have to admit a higher version of yourself exists.

Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM by Hojo

[Dodo]

@Hojo nah, when I dream, the dream is happening to the same me that waking is happening to. Only content is different. My dream character is not a lower me. 

I often wonder how people know some things. Like higher selves. Are people honest or are they talking about a belief they adopted from somewhere and repeating because it sounds good. 

[Hojo]

@Dodo you always dream about being Dodo sitting on a forum talking to people? You are either Dodo or you arent. What you are talking about is your conciousness.

When you awaken you wake up to your higher self. Its like your higher self opens its eyes. This higher self is your God and is God. Its creating you and everything you experience thats the definition of God.

The same way you are God of your lower self, you are creating it and creating everything it sees and interacts with.

Edited yesterday at 02:21 AM by Hojo

[Dodo]

@Hojo what im talking about is not "my consciousness", but simply me. You are projecting some extra meaning of the word "me" to include the character, this stems from your own worldview, not mine.  When I say me in this conversation, I dont mean any entity, but the "formless knowing of isness (or is-ing - present tense)" for lack of better, more direct words . 

That knowing knows three states - waking, dream and deep sleep. The knowing itself never changes and is me, thats why I know "I had a dream, I slept, I am awake". 

Maybe you are trying to talk to a projection of me that you have in your mind, but you have to understand, my reality is not what I appear to be to you. Thats the whole samsara business. 

Edited yesterday at 12:13 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@Dodo I'm not projecting anything. You are in a human body right now when you dream you no longer are this human person you are something else. You cant identify with the formless you you dont even know when you are dreaming. 

When you are in deep sleep you dont know you exist.

If you cant say that you are a human then we cant have conversations about you im not talking to anything right now the conversation becomes useless.

If you dont know when you are dreaming and dont know when you are in deep sleep then you must identify with the human cause now you know you are a human.

If you talk like this its like princess Arabia I do and dont exist at the same time I can hold opinions while not having to stay logical. This leads to complete nonsense.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:30 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

@Hojo

Entire conversation stems from a misunderstanding of identity and being. 

im not a self in a human body, there is a human experience taking place in awareness. I am the same awareness in which both the waking experience, dream experience and deep sleep appear to take place. 

After all, how do you even know about dreams if they aren't happening to the same you? Are you communicating with another you to get the dreams? No. They appear to the same you, before you give it a character identity and start thinking. 

Deep sleep is another story, there are no objects of experience there, there is nothing to remember. Its pure awareness without content.

Who told you you understand awareness? Has no objective qualities it just is, there is nothing to stand under. Its being itself, existence consciousness bliss

Edited yesterday at 03:05 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@DodoYou right now are using self reflection to communicate you dont have when you are dreaming. You are using something you arent, to say you arent it, but that thing that self reflection, is how you and me can communicate. Once you start delving beyond the means of our mutual conversation it turns into nonsense to me and everyone communicating with you.

The self reflection is a constant that you use to communicate with the world and its a static or slowly changing thing. 

Its like playing toys as a kid, and then you as the toy, say to me my toy, im not the toy im the player playing with the toy. Then why use the toy? And my toy cant talk logically to your toy while its saying its a different player in an unknown universe.

Edited yesterday at 03:08 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

Just now, Hojo said:

@DodoYou right now are using self reflection to communicate you dont have when you are dreaming. You are using something you arent to say you arent it but you that thing is how you and me can communicate. Once you start delving beyond the means of our mutual conversation it turns into nonsense to me.

Conversation is taking place, identifications with a character is taking place, no one is doing it, its a waking dream, story of creation, call it how you will. But in reality there is only one thing real here and its the knowing of this moment. Then you add this and that, we remember dreaming etc. While you dream the dream is happening in the same awareness as waking, its not about identificatiomn, its about being honest with experience. My 10 year old human experience is happening to the same me as my 30 year old human experience. I am not another me, even though everything visible and tangible has changed.

[Hojo]

This makes no sense. You are using a character to talk to me, I need to able to interact with that character. I cant interact with something I cant interact with. This is drone speak.

@Dodo

Edited yesterday at 03:12 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

This makes no sense. You are using a character to talk to me, I need to able to interact with that character. I cant interact with something I cant interact with. This is drone speak.

@Dodo

I am doing no such thing. I already told you there is a character appearing in awareness. Just like in a dream at night, you are not really the character, but while the dream is going on you believe it strongly and might even argue with other characters. 

Each of our characters is a movement of the same infinite consciousness, like all characters in the dream are a movement of the same mind. 

[Hojo]

@DodoWhen you dream you lose the ability to self reflect. You arent on a forum you are somewhere else. That means you are a different character than in this reality. A different version of yourself. Maybe its actually the higher version of yourself communicating with your character.

We can know this because your dreams can sometimes be talking about this character. Like you will have people that this character knows in the dream world. So there is a connection and its not completely random conciousness.

I need to talk to that character when I am speaking to you. Not the 100000 dream characters youve had. It needs to be consistent and you need to beleive that this is the only reality when talking about logical things.

You said earlier that you were your lower self. This character isnt your lower self.

Edited yesterday at 03:33 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

@Hojo look im not here to tell you what to believe, but this thing with having multiple selves is not part of my direct experience. Mayve its part of some religion yoy have (i even take materialism for a religion, im not an average joe character, you are on actualized forum,  not random forum).

The dream world is known by Me, whether or not identification or contemplation is part of the dreamed experience.

The dream character is sometimes taken for myself while dreaming, thats part of the experience that is known. When you wake up you realise wow, I wasnt really that character, but its a bit harder (but not impossible) to see it while still dreaming (lucid dreaming). 

Edited yesterday at 03:34 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@DodoI am saying in order you have a conversation you cant be your lower self you need to be grounded in reality to communicate about its functions. I cant have a conversation about this with someone who claims to be their lower self because that dosent follow any logical framework of the current dream.

When people talk like this my entire framework crumbles and I cant communicate cause I dont know who I am talking to.

Im not trying to be insulting I am just saying how the logic works.

Edited yesterday at 03:37 PM by Hojo

[Dodo]

8 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@DodoI am saying in order you have a conversation you cant be your lower self you need to be grounded in reality to communicate about its functions. I cant have a conversation about this with someone who claims to be their lower self because that dosent follow any logical framework of the current dream.

You are saying you dont understand that I am not an object that can be known. 

Conversation here is happening just fine. I do not have multiple selves, and I get its confusing to any one character in waking, but its also directly evident that you've never had more than one true self. 

Edited yesterday at 03:44 PM by Dodo

[Hojo]

@DodoHow is this character your lower self? When you are dreaming does this characters body dissolve and enter another reality? Are you constantly dreaming about waking up in this characters house and doing what this character does?

Edited yesterday at 03:47 PM by Hojo