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How To Use Milligram Scoops?

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How can I know the actual weight of a psychedelic using milligram scoops? I totally forgot that chemicals have different densities.

I have a milligram scale and a milligram scoop. I don't trust them: the scale for measuring very tiny amounts and the scoop for not knowing which chemical was used as a reference to create it.

However, I measured about 30-40mg of DMT, and it was more than I have seen on my milligram scoop. It seems that I have been consuming much lower amounts of DMT than I thought.

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Maybe I have to add a minimum amount to the milligram scale enough times with a milligram scoop so that the measurement of the milligram scale can be trusted, and then I could divide the final weight by the number of times that I added.

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But what if I don't have those cheap milligram scales?

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1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Maybe I have to add a minimum amount to the milligram scale enough times with a milligram scoop so that the measurement of the milligram scale can be trusted, and then I could divide the final weight by the number of times that I added.

With that method, I calculated that my 25-35mg scoop holds about 2-3mg of DMT.

The issue might be that because my DMT has a more crystalline form, it can't fully fit into the scoop.

However, this means that I might be very sensitive to DMT. I have added way more than the 25-35mg scoop can hold—perhaps the total amount was about 10mg—and it was really potent.

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Take 5 scoops of DMT and measure its weight on the scale.

Then divide that by 5 and you know how much your scoop holds.

Make sure you scoops are flat, not heaping.

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57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Make sure you scoops are flat, not heaping.

Ok.

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@Leo Gura, I got 40-50mg. So, that scoop holds 8-10mg of DMT.

I tried to replicate how much I filled the scoop last time, and it seems to be that I used about 1/3 of a full scoop.

I have to say that I have been refilling the pipe, so the effects could have been gradually increasing. But, still, when the effects passed, smoking about 1/3 of a full scoop was still potent, because I noticed the effects immensely.

Next time, I'll flatten the DMT in the scoop to understand if I'm actually that sensitive.

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@Nemra Your technique sounds very sloppy.

With technique like that you will delude yourself and others. Learn to be rigorous and scientific.

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

With technique like that you will delude yourself and others.

@Leo Gura, what technique are you talking about? The usage of scoops or smoking? Both?

Yeah, it's my fault that I didn't flatten it. It's my mistake. I'll be more careful about that. Also, I admitted that I forgot to take into account chemicals' densities.

Or are you saying that I'm BS-ing about the potency? Well, maybe. I'll see by testing it further.

The fact is that the effects weren't mild, and I was using smaller doses, but how much less that's another question. To actually know, I'll use smaller scoops and flatten it to understand.

Smoking by refilling is more preferable to me as of now because I can sense if I'm ready to continue going higher without traumatizing myself too much. The problem is that I could trip for hours without noticing, e.g., last time it was 3 hours.

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@Nemra I am saying that your methods are not rigorous enough.

How hard is it to weigh a consistent scoop? Not hard.

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22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How hard is it to weigh a consistent scoop? Not hard.

Because, it didn't cross my mind to flatten it so that I could get a consistent scoop. I know, it's stupid when I realized it.

If there are other things, you can mention them.

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@Nemra Now you understand why scientists are anal.


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Chat GPT is useful for these types of questions :P

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13 hours ago, Nemra said:

How can I know the actual weight of a psychedelic using milligram scoops? I totally forgot that chemicals have different densities.

You can convert ml to mg knowing the density of the chemical, in the case of DMT is 1.2g/mL (ask ChatGPT to do the conversion for you if you have doubts, better be safe than sorry)


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@Davino, using the value of density at room temperature, which is 1.099 g/mL, I got that about 33 mg of DMT would fit into a perfect 0.03 mL scoop.

However, even flattering doesn't guarantee a perfect fit into the scoop, although I would get a consistent amount of DMT when the scoops are flat rather than heaping.

Also, it depends on how much compact you can make your scoops. However, I think the weight of the DMT will be more consistent because you felt how hard you flattened the scoop. I don't think it's efficient to flatten it to get near the value of how much the scoop can hold in the case of DMT.

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Gosh, it is not mild at all when the dose is 10 mg ± 2 mg.

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Using scoops has to be the worst advice Leo has ever given. This could harm somebody. Aside from the obvious inconsistencies in technique, even with uniformly finely ground powder it will not be fully accurate. On a few occasions I've overestimated the dosage by nearly double with scoops; negligence, yes, but the method itself is just faulty. 

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Both are 1g DMT. Nuff said. And that's not even considering other factors that affect volume further, like vacuum distillation. Such a range within just one compound, now imagine across multiple. 

The correct way is volumetric dosing. Starting from 100mg, which scales can measure accurately, dissolve the substance in an appropriate amount of solution to achieve desired concentration, e.g. 100mg in 10ml for 10mg/ml. Store in a glass vial in refrigerator. To boof 5mg, you'd draw 0.5ml in a syringe, and so on. Compounds will be stable almost indefinitely in aqueous solution using distilled/saline water. Also saves a bunch of time on preparation for subsequent uses. For some stubborn salts apply a little heat to the vial to achieve full dissolution. I've seen several instances of people leaving a chunk of the chem in the syringe cause it just won't dissolve through any amount of stirring, giving a mistaken impression of how much they took. 

It is a similar principle for freebase, but with e-liquid for vape pen or tank, some amount of DMT in whatever ratio PG/VG that works for you, find some presets or experiment. Added benefit of conveniently and safely doing continuous puffs without need to reload pipe. @Davino can advise on all that. 

Virtually everything pharmaceutical from nasal sprays to creams to IV ampoules uses concentration, typically W/V or W/W. They sure don't use Chinese plastic scoops. 

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@LambdaDelta, thanks for the information.

I knew about volumetric dosing, however, I didn't have the time to research how to set up a vape device and to understand what is the best ratio of PG/VG for DMT.

But in the future, I'll try to do it.

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