Democrats could be doomed if they don't change leadership before it's too late

[Elliott]

5 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

It IS the fault of the democratic party for running a mediocre candidate and an issueless celebrity driven campaign.   It's important to acknowledge this and replace the leadership.   

 

You think Trump was a better presidential candidate than Harris?

I completely dismiss your "issueless" claim.

[kguirnela]

13 hours ago, Elliott said:

I think @Hardkill is sincere and trying to learn.

I get that, but what if he's been told the answer so many times? Also who is he listening to, pragmatic progressives like David Pakman, Thom Hartmann, Hutch etc, or some blackpill leftists like TYT, Secular Talk, Vaush etc? I'm also asking in a general sense. Ik I'm hypocritical to an extent but at the same time if I don't try to lower the content I consume or at least try to learn how the government works, I'm gonna end up a blackpill liberal. Does this make sense to you or I need to clarify more

[Hardkill]

39 minutes ago, kguirnela said:

I get that, but what if he's been told the answer so many times? Also who is he listening to, pragmatic progressives like David Pakman, Thom Hartmann, Hutch etc, or some blackpill leftists like TYT, Secular Talk, Vaush etc? I'm also asking in a general sense. Ik I'm hypocritical to an extent but at the same time if I don't try to lower the content I consume or at least try to learn how the government works, I'm gonna end up a blackpill liberal. Does this make sense to you or I need to clarify more

These days, I've been listening much more to pragmatic progressives like David Pakman, Pod Save America, BTC, Thom Hartmann, Hutch, IRI, etc. I still hate-watch TYT and Secular Talk, which I know I gotta stop doing.

[Talinn]

1 hour ago, Hardkill said:

These days, I've been listening much more to pragmatic progressives like David Pakman, Pod Save America, BTC, Thom Hartmann, Hutch, IRI, etc. I still hate-watch TYT and Secular Talk, which I know I gotta stop doing.

Yikes that's way too many channels to watch.

Go read some books, like Heather Cox Richardson's How the South won the Civil War 

Edited October 3 by Talinn

[Jodistrict]

10 hours ago, Elliott said:

You think Trump was a better presidential candidate than Harris?

I completely dismiss your "issueless" claim.

It's irrelevant what I believe.  Trump won because he convinced the swing voters that he was the better candidate.   Ralph Nader lays out the argument in the video I provided.  

[Elliott]

20 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

 

20 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

It's irrelevant what I believe.  Trump won because he convinced the swing voters that he was the better candidate.   Ralph Nader lays out the argument in the video I provided.  

You're sharing what you think....

So, Harris should have ran more for maga issues then? Maga issues won, she should have been racist and xenophobic, and a liar, by your logic.

Harris was the better candidate, Americans are just not a great electorate. You have to quit infantalizing the citizens, it's the citizens fault and these hard times will be a lesson they hopefully learn from.

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mediocre candidate and an issueless celebrity driven campaign.

Who was the best candidate for democrats to run, and on what issues?

Edited October 3 by Elliott

[kguirnela]

On 10/3/2025 at 2:05 AM, Hardkill said:

These days, I've been listening much more to pragmatic progressives like David Pakman, Pod Save America, BTC, Thom Hartmann, Hutch, IRI, etc. I still hate-watch TYT and Secular Talk, which I know I gotta stop doing.

Hate watching TYT & Secular Talk specifically is what I'm talking about. You know you need to stop watching them cause their black pill lefties & yet you still do it which makes you a blackpill lefty yourself. Just to clarify for myself, it doesn't matter what Farron Cousins, Thom Hartmann, David Pakman etc says at this point, everyone has to feel pain from Trump's 2nd term inevitably. Which is why I'm more like Jonathan V Last from the Bulwark which fuck everyone lol. 

Flow chart at 1:24 since I couldn't find it on reddit. Also to be clear, I can mad at the dems all I want, but I'm more upset at the voters cause is no excuse now.

Edited October 5 by kguirnela
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[Jodistrict]

On 10/3/2025 at 6:26 AM, Elliott said:

You're sharing what you think....

So, Harris should have ran more for maga issues then? Maga issues won, she should have been racist and xenophobic, and a liar, by your logic.

Harris was the better candidate, Americans are just not a great electorate. You have to quit infantalizing the citizens, it's the citizens fault and these hard times will be a lesson they hopefully learn from.

Who was the best candidate for democrats to run, and on what issues?

The best candidate should have been chosen through a fair primary process.  That is how you find the best candidate.  My favorite going forward is Governor Newsom.   The issues should be focused on the economy and not divisive identity politics.  It will take Newsom 4 years just to bring the government back to stability and undo some of the damage.

[Elliott]

On 10/4/2025 at 11:46 PM, Jodistrict said:

The best candidate should have been chosen through a fair primary process.  That is how you find the best candidate.  My favorite going forward is Governor Newsom.   The issues should be focused on the economy and not divisive identity politics.  It will take Newsom 4 years just to bring the government back to stability and undo some of the damage.

Harris would have won, Biden won for Pete's sake.

[Elliott]

 

If the Democratic party can represent America right now, while moving it forward, the Republican party can be pushed significantly closer to the ash bin of history. This doesn't happen if Democrats take a niche socialist agenda. Republicans have proven their inabilities and corruption, let them be the extreme party, people want stability and sanity.

Edited October 8 by Elliott

[Jodistrict]

42 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Harris would have won, Biden won for Pete's sake.

You don't know that.  

[Elliott]

Republican Ousted By Democrat in Shock Election Defeat

Fairbanks, Alaska mayor.

https://www.newsweek.com/alaska-fairbanks-mayor-election-democrat-republican-10844700

 

[Elliott]

This thread didn't age well....

[Hardkill]

9 hours ago, Elliott said:

This thread didn't age well....

Honestly, I hope that this thread ages terribly.

Yes, yesterday was very good night for Democrats and the Left; however, we are still not close to being out of the woods yet.

There is still a serious chance that Democrats may not win the midterms because of all of the extreme gerrymandering by the Republicans throughout the country. Trump and the MAGA Republicans are going to do everything they can to steal the 2026 midterms. Not to mention, that the Democratic party still has an even lower approval rating than Trump and his party does which is crazy.

Plus, the next presidential election will be even much harder for the Democrats to win because presidential elections always have a much greater percentage of lower propensity, less engaged, and less informed voters than special elections, off year elections, and midterm elections do. Democrats are still far behind Trump and the Republicans in winning over lower propensity, less engaged, and less informed voters. Additionally, Trump and his party are of course going to do everything they can to try to steal the 2028 presidential election.

That is why the Democratic party still desperately needs a stronger leadership with better communication strategies to save themselves and save the country. 

Btw, Chuck Schumer really needs to step down and let some other Democrat in the US Senate who is much younger, more fiery, and more talented of a communicator than he is be the new leader of the Senate Democrats in Congress.

Edited November 5 by Hardkill

[Elliott]

"11 hours ago — Democrat Eileen Higgins has won the Miami mayoral race in Florida, the first time someone from her party has done so in nearly 30 years. A ..."

 

 

"https://www.wjcl.com

Democrats flip Georgia House seat in district Trump won by double digits

2 hours ago — The Democratic victory, in a district that voted for President Donald Trump by about 12 percentage points last year, comes ahead of next"

 

Completely doomed

Edited Wednesday at 03:52 PM by Elliott

[Elliott]

Democrat leading in Ohio governors race

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/politics/democrats-make-gains-in-ohios-2026-statewide-races-new-poll-reports/

 

Edited Thursday at 12:18 PM by Elliott

[Hardkill]

 

On 12/10/2025 at 7:48 AM, Elliott said:

"11 hours ago — Democrat Eileen Higgins has won the Miami mayoral race in Florida, the first time someone from her party has done so in nearly 30 years. A ..."

 

 

"https://www.wjcl.com

Democrats flip Georgia House seat in district Trump won by double digits

2 hours ago — The Democratic victory, in a district that voted for President Donald Trump by about 12 percentage points last year, comes ahead of next"

 

Completely doomed

 

On 12/11/2025 at 4:17 AM, Elliott said:

Democrat leading in Ohio governors race

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/politics/democrats-make-gains-in-ohios-2026-statewide-races-new-poll-reports/

 

Doesn't mean that the Democrats will win the midterms in 2026 let alone the presidency in 2028. 

The midterms have an even greater percentage of less informed, less educated voters who are easily swayed by the right-wing propaganda and anti-mainstream messaging than special elections and off-year elections do.

Presidential elections, especially have the greatest percentage of voters who are so stupid, so simple-minded, and so uninformed about what the fuck is really going on in the world that they are the most easily seduced by the devilry of the right-wing propaganda, anti-mainstream propaganda, and a charismatic demagogue into still voting Republican over Democrat.

What if Tucker Carlson, Dan Bilzerian, or some other charismatic right-wing figure like them actually runs for president in 2028 and runs as another "outsider" populist who promises to burn down the entire system and make "real change"?

[Elliott]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

 

 

Doesn't mean that the Democrats will win the midterms in 2026 let alone the presidency in 2028. 

The midterms have an even greater percentage of less informed, less educated voters who are easily swayed by the right-wing propaganda and anti-mainstream messaging than special elections and off-year elections do.

Presidential elections, especially have the greatest percentage of voters who are so stupid, so simple-minded, and so uninformed about what the fuck is really going on in the world that they are the most easily seduced by the devilry of the right-wing propaganda, anti-mainstream propaganda, and a charismatic demagogue into still voting Republican over Democrat.

What if Tucker Carlson, Dan Bilzerian, or some other charismatic right-wing figure like them actually runs for president in 2028 and runs as another "outsider" populist who promises to burn down the entire system and make "real change"?

Trumps gonna promise everyone 10 virgins?

Republicans are done, economy is in shambles, inflation is running away, everyone's going to be in the poor house before long.

I think you just underestimate how much some people despise some of the progressive ideas, conveniently writing people off as "stupid" because they disagree with you. There's not much difference in intelligence on both sides, both sides have their stupid people that just outright lie, take AOC and Sanders for example.

Edited 12 hours ago by Elliott

[Hardkill]

10 hours ago, Elliott said:

Trumps gonna promise everyone 10 virgins?

Republicans are done, economy is in shambles, inflation is running away, everyone's going to be in the poor house before long.

I think you just underestimate how much some people despise some of the progressive ideas, conveniently writing people off as "stupid" because they disagree with you. There's not much difference in intelligence on both sides, both sides have their stupid people that just outright lie, take AOC and Sanders for example.

There is a big difference in intelligence on both sides. Sure, there are a lot of Democrats and leftists in the country who are stupid and naive. However, it's still asymmetrical. There are a lot more Republicans and right-wingers than Democrats and left-wingers in the country who are idiotic and primitive. 

Also, most Independent voters are still easily influenced by the right-wing media machine into believing that "both sides are equally bad."

Furthermore, most people in America are still tradition-oriented, and the Republican Party is still very much the party that represents traditional values more than the Democratic Party does.

Edited 2 hours ago by Hardkill