Scandinavian experience after 3 years

[Alexop]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

@Alexop Maybe Swedish collective unconscious was adapted to a naturally very masculinizing environment, such as cold and few resources, and now that Sweden is a rich and modern country it must adapt so that individuals can return to more balanced behaviors.

It can be that. I mean the Vikings were not the most feminine people lmao

[Kid A]

42 minutes ago, Alexop said:

It can be that. I mean the Vikings were not the most feminine people lmao

Still more feminist than certain parts of the Muslim world today. I find that so fascinating. 

As a Scandinavian, I mostly think you really hit the nail on the head here btw!

Edited Monday at 05:15 PM by Kid A

[Alexop]

2 hours ago, Kid A said:

Still more feminist than certain parts of the Muslim world today. I find that so fascinating. 

As a Scandinavian, I mostly think you really hit the nail on the head here btw!

Yeah, I mean I love Sweden and I can talk a ton about the good stuff here, but those good things are already told by so many and they are obvious. I would say the good stuff here weigh more that the bad stuff and I think I will have a good life here.

[Daniel Balan]

8 hours ago, Alexop said:

Here's some insights based on empirical input and personal study.  Here’s two points:

Immigration.

 I start to notice how these people, especially the leftists here, say one thing but do another or are not able to actualize their wishes. On the one hand they want to compete in the empathy contest and help as many refugees as possible but on the other, they don’t actually want to have them in their lives. They just want the feeling of being the morally superior ones. There is a neighborhood called Angered on the outskirts of Gothenburg. When it was first built, it was mostly Swedes living there, after some immigrants moved in the country to do the work they did not want to do anymore, they started moving out from the neighborhood, because it started to be painted as “problematic”. Now these kinds of neighborhoods are 95% immigrant background even if the flats are still nice, some are well renovated and the areas are full of beautiful nature and good public transport connections. 

So dudes, do you want these people in your lives or not? It is more like: I take a refugee into my house but I keep him in the basement. They want multiculturalism, but as soon as they meet someone who is slightly different from them, they run away as if they saw a ghost. Anything that is too ambitious, masculine or has too much personality is ghosted out. With this soyboy, anti-personality, anti-masculine culture you cannot have a proper blend of cultures. Virtually no Swede hangs out with immigrants who did not perfectly absorb their pussy culture, not even living in the same neighborhood with such “animals”. They want them to somehow raise to their SD Green level at a flip of a switch otherwise it is goodbye. These double standards brought rise to the far right who is now fucking up the country with neo-liberal, anti-immigration shit. Thanks for that! They want immigrants but not too close to them, they want diversity but not in the way that “does not vibe”. 

 

Relationships are disasters.

People are so individualistic and have so low social skills, especially men, that they just suffer from loneliness in silence. It takes ages for them to make friends, they basically make 2-3 friends in teenage years and keep them for life, because they have to stay years in a classroom together in order to open up. Masculinity and femininity talk is a NO NO. God forbid we talk about this kind of heresy. We only talk about it if we shit on the patriarchy and toxic masculinity. Women pair with men mostly because they want kids and need sperm and help to raise them. After a few years they separate and ping-pong the child from one parent to the other every week. I never in my life saw so many underdeveloped and boring men, I feel like talking to children all the time. Even fucking Romania delivers better men. "But Alex, at least they are not violent as your romanian machos" I thought the same thing until I had some talks with policemen and people here. Domestic violence is shit high. Those cute puppy guys become violent after years of frustration coming from not understanding the feminine perspective.

If you don’t expect standards of quality from men, they simply don’t evolve. Call me right wing but just handing welfare to people without a strong culture based on dignity, healthy masculinity talk, and discipline paired with video games and all this bullshit escapism we invented makes people weak and lazy. If this nonsense continues, I predict women taking over most leadership positions, because somebody has to fucking do it, but most of them won’t do it because they want it. They do it because men are worthless and someone has to steer the country. As Leo said, women go for feelings, but feelings don’t always lead to truth, so expect some feelingcracy.

 

These are just 2 points, there are more. This leads to the paradox of having the most socialist states in the world with the most pilled people in the world. Yes, some people can live well alone, but even those people still need at least a good romantic relationship or some sex from time to time. If you live in the US, I talk to you from the future, be careful with these excess of Green traps. I did not want to believe Leo until I moved here and experienced it myself. Let diversity come into your life, not only to your basement, socialize, make new friends, be open to divergent opinions, crack jokes, let men be men, teach people about Yin and Yang. Don’t identify with your feelings, don’t get offended by opinions, see the double standards in your social circle. Good luck!

This is too biased and too much of a strawman. You had me on the floor when you said Romania produces better men than Sweeden. Firstly the ancestors of those nordic pussies ruled fucking England for a century. They also founded the Kievan Rus. Basically the first Russian entity as a state.

Romanian men aren't even a fraction of the men that are the nordics. There isn't a single week in a year without news that some Romanian man killed his wife or concubine. Romanian men are like in the year 200 BC compared to the nordic men. I lived 90% of my life in rural Romania and 10% in cities of Romania and West Germany. When I first arrived in Germany I had an existential crisis. I felt like a cow in the middle of a shopping mall. Myself being used with the barbarian ways of living from Romania I stood in awe at how nice and civil everyone was behaving. The German men I was working with always made me aware when I was beginning to behave like a barbarian. I got slapped by a german for throwing garbage from the window of the car that brought us to work. I was 19 at the time and that was custom practice in Romania. In Romania it was abnormal not to throw trash from the car's window. I also remember when some of my fellow villagers were arested by the polizei for yelling mid night on the street. 

My point that it is a disgrace to compare the creatures in Romania with the Swedish men. Compared to the Sweedish, the average Romanian man is yet to reach the status of man, they are animalistic creatures. 

The left should by all means be criticized, I do agree with all you said. But I was really irked by that comparison with the Romanians 🤣

 

Edited Monday at 08:19 PM by Daniel Balan

[Alexop]

@Daniel Balan

Dude, of course Romanians suck in their own way. But in regards to social skills and masculinity I see a big lack in swedish guys. The romanians are in general still too macho and manipulative but România still has a culture of rite of passage for men. You cannot call yourself a man willy nilly in Romania. There still is a distinction between what is a boy and what is a man in Ro, while here... It is not accepted to make that distinction. You have to come and live here in order to understand. I only mean it in terms of social skills and masculinity. Which does not exclude the presence of toxic masculinity in romanians, there still is plenty especially in the lower educated tier of guys. Do not go into history, it does not jave anything to do with that. Men even 70 years ago were completely different.

I sometimes meet very mature and serious romanians. They are like this because there is no momy welfare state to help you there, you have to fend for yourself. Yes they are not the most refined and progressive in terms of their education, theories and political knowledge but the emotional maturity can be impressive. I know it is a bold statement but try to see between the lines. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:20 AM by Alexop

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Alexop said:

@Daniel Balan

Dude, of course Romanians suck in their own way. But in regards to social skills and masculinity I see a big lack in swedish guys. The romanians are in general still too macho and manipulative but România still has a culture of rite of passage for men. You cannot call yourself a man willy nilly in Romania. There still is a distinction between what is a boy and what is a man in Ro, while here... It is not accepted to make that distinction. You have to come and live here in order to understand. I only mean it in terms of social skills and masculinity. Which does not exclude the presence of toxic masculinity in romanians, there still is plenty especially in the lower educated tier of guys. Do not go into history, it does not jave anything to do with that. Men even 70 years ago were completely different.

I sometimes meet very mature and serious romanians. They are like this because there is no momy welfare state to help you there, you have to fend for yourself. Yes they are not the most refined and progressive in terms of their education, theories and political knowledge but the emotional maturity can be impressive. I know it is a bold statement but try to see between the lines. 

 

The reason I said that your argument is strawmanned and biased is because in my opinion is not true. Of course there are soyboys in Sweden, but so are here in Romania, although much less and they are being unnoticed because of how much noise the neanderthals from the villages make. 

But the men in their 30s and above in Sweden or Germany are well more developed career wise and family wise than Romanians. To see for yourself if that is true please respond to these questions:

Would you buy an apartment built by Swedish men or by Romanian men? 

Would you buy furniture from IKEA built by the Swedes, or would you buy furniture designed in Romania?

Would you buy Husqvarna chainsaw or would you buy a chainsaw sold by a Romanaian in a Bazaar? 

The way Romanians build houses and apartments is criminal, one big earthquake and all falls down. No safety, no respecting rules, no nothing. They only want to take your money. 

If you buy Furniture made in Romania it lasts you litteraly a week before it breaks down. I'm not exaggerating, that's really the case.

Husqvarna is a Swedish business that operates since the 1600's. Romania has just discovered Capitalism. The quality and endurance of the products made by the Swedes is perfect. 

How the nordics work is unparalleled. Professionalism, rigour, discipline. 

Yet Romanaians can't even begin their working day without finishing first a bottle of booze. 

That's how I measure a man. Not by how much he beats his wife or by how loud he is.

Bottom line of my argument is this: wokeness with all its soyboys and problems is 1000 times better that the backwardness and barbarism of Romania. As I said, mentality wise, Swedes are in 2025, while my villagers are in like 200BC in comparison with the Sweds.

Edited Tuesday at 06:51 AM by Daniel Balan

[Alexop]

@Daniel Balan you compare institutions and businesses created by swedes and romanians. These things are so obviously better in Sweden. I talk about social skills and relationships. Of course romanians are corrupt as hell, this is why I made the comparison in the first place, to show the paradox. You are too focused on the romanians from the countryside. Go and live in Cluj or Bucharest and meet some programmers and affluent guys there. They are quite ok from many points of view. The countryside baboons are beyond worse, don't focus on them. A fair comparison would be to find guys who at least had the possibilities to come to the city and modernize their life. Of course a dirt poor pre-modern guy from a medieval romanian village had no chance to develop beyond the macho baboon state.

Edited Tuesday at 07:06 AM by Alexop

[Alexop]

I already told you that living in some backwards village in Romania and talking with us here is not a very healthy way of living. It is like living in medieval Europe and talking with some aliens from the future. Rural Romania is so fucking backwards that you either leave it forever or forget about personal development.

Edited Tuesday at 11:24 AM by Alexop

[Daniel Balan]

@Alexop All I was pointing and I've gone above and beyond to emphasize is that wokeness, with its many flaws and problems, is still a lot more evolved and better than what was before wokeness. An autistic soyboy from Sweden is more of a man than an average eastern European. Remember, stage Green has toxic aspects as do all the other stages. Stage Blue has also more positive aspects than toxic ones, albeit the toxic ones are much more visible and damaging. Also to be at stage Green, you firstly had to integrate all the positives from blue and orange. And by all accounts Swedish men are extremely hard working, business orientated, and have also integrated the wokeness of stage green. Where they are right now is in the phase they go through all the negative aspects of stage green. But as I said, the problems of stage green are much more desirable than the problems of red or blue. The reason I described my villagers is because I've dealt with both stage green problems while in Germany, with stage Orange in the cities of Romania, and with stage Red and Blue in my home village. And stage Green problems that you described are child's play compared with the problems that come from stage Red/Blue. I have 0 friends here, I ditched all the friends I had from teenage time. But as soon as I go in Iasi or Dortmund, I instantly find friends out of strangers effortlessly.

Actually personal development is easier in the country side, because here I refuse to have friends and all my free time is dedicated to reading, watching Leo's videos and if I wanted I could easily start a meditation practice. In the city the life is way to chaotic.

[Alexop]

Watch your whataboutism. Where did I say Sweden does not kick ass in business? There are some lazy asses but they have a strong innovation and entrepreneurship culture. They suck att socialization, directness, honesty, emotional intelligence, letting men be men, while women are socially acceptable to be men.

But, They kick ass in innovation, business, politeness, not violating people autonomy, space. Progressive policies, taming capitalism Etc

Edited Tuesday at 02:41 PM by Alexop

[Cheese]

If someone is interested. There is an bosnian refugee in Sweden that talks about domestic politics and immigration etc. Coincidentally, his latest 2 videos are about masculinity: https://youtube.com/@angryforeigner?si=xxACwkv0ekNLFan-

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

If someone is interested. There is an bosnian refugee in Sweden that talks about domestic politics and immigration etc. Coincidentally, his latest 2 videos are about masculinity: https://youtube.com/@angryforeigner?si=xxACwkv0ekNLFan-

This guy is a far right idiot. Most of his takes are exaggerated claims or fake news.

[Cheese]

Fair point. The channel is leaning more toward entertainment and not  serious politics.